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College football playoff idea
Posted on 7/15/09 at 10:23 am
Posted on 7/15/09 at 10:23 am
i've fought the idea myself. i like college football the way it is, but as long as they are looking for a solution, i'm thinking of a way to retain the uniqueness of college football while compromising with a playoff system.
the whole issue is that every conference is different, but the real problem is that every conference has different standards. here's the solution.
first and foremost, every conference plays an 8 game conference schedule followed by a conference championship.
next, a 12 team playoff.....10 conference champions and 2 wild cards (allows a legit 1 loss or 2 loss team and will keep notre dame from having to join a conference): sec, big 12, big 10, pac 10, acc, big east, wac, mountain west, conf. usa, and mac. the teams will be seeded according to their final rankings after championship week. the top 4 ranked conference champs will receive a first round bye.
the small conferences have a chance, the big conferences earn their keep, and if notre dame can manage to beat navy, air force, etc. they'll have a chance as well. everyone happy? almost.
the major bcs games will still take place in a tournament like setting. play the other bowl games during the week mid december through new year's and the bcs playoff on the weekend. the first week of the bcs playoff will consist of 4 games as well as the second. the third week will have a semi-final round. the fourth week will be a championship. 4 weeks, 4 bcs sites. let's say the championship is the sugar bowl so they will host the final week. that means orange will be 1st round, rose 2nd, and fiesta 3rd round. each site must have 2 stadiums to host a game on 2 different days to accomodate for the 4 games they may have to host.
sugar: superdome and LSU tiger stadium
orange: dolphin stadium and (orlando, tampa, take your pick).
rose: rose bowl stadium and memorial stadium (or oakland coliseum)
fiesta: sun devil and university of phoenix stadium
here is a chance for great teams to play in venues they may have never had the chance to like the rose bowl. here is a chance to compromise between a standard playoff and the parody of college football. everyone's got a shot. rankings still matter. bowls still exist.
the whole issue is that every conference is different, but the real problem is that every conference has different standards. here's the solution.
first and foremost, every conference plays an 8 game conference schedule followed by a conference championship.
next, a 12 team playoff.....10 conference champions and 2 wild cards (allows a legit 1 loss or 2 loss team and will keep notre dame from having to join a conference): sec, big 12, big 10, pac 10, acc, big east, wac, mountain west, conf. usa, and mac. the teams will be seeded according to their final rankings after championship week. the top 4 ranked conference champs will receive a first round bye.
the small conferences have a chance, the big conferences earn their keep, and if notre dame can manage to beat navy, air force, etc. they'll have a chance as well. everyone happy? almost.
the major bcs games will still take place in a tournament like setting. play the other bowl games during the week mid december through new year's and the bcs playoff on the weekend. the first week of the bcs playoff will consist of 4 games as well as the second. the third week will have a semi-final round. the fourth week will be a championship. 4 weeks, 4 bcs sites. let's say the championship is the sugar bowl so they will host the final week. that means orange will be 1st round, rose 2nd, and fiesta 3rd round. each site must have 2 stadiums to host a game on 2 different days to accomodate for the 4 games they may have to host.
sugar: superdome and LSU tiger stadium
orange: dolphin stadium and (orlando, tampa, take your pick).
rose: rose bowl stadium and memorial stadium (or oakland coliseum)
fiesta: sun devil and university of phoenix stadium
here is a chance for great teams to play in venues they may have never had the chance to like the rose bowl. here is a chance to compromise between a standard playoff and the parody of college football. everyone's got a shot. rankings still matter. bowls still exist.
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Posted on 7/15/09 at 10:53 am to easy money
meh........
Look, I appreciate everyone's ideas on how to produce a truly fair tournament, but there are issues that bother me from your post:
1. Why does ND continue to be allowed to remain an independent? if we are to remove the major bowl tradition from college football, then the current alliances by the independents should be removed. It's not objective enough to allow ND to remain in their current state if we want complete fairness to determine a NC.
2. There will need to be at least ONE northern bowl game in the Big 4. (In your scenario, that would require at least 2 of the 8 games to be played in the north. For example, it would not be "fair" for a #1 tOSU to play #8 LSU/ASU/USC/UF in their home state. So, you could add a clause that would say no team can play a first round game in their home state, but that would discount the finish of the BCS final standings.
3. Lastly, I acknowledge that there will always be an issue of which team deserves to get in to the field, whether it be determining who is the BCS #2 and #3, or #12 and #13. How much more will the voting matter when Utah (11-1) is going against Oklahoma State (10-2) for that #13 BCS seed. Which university is going to bring in more revenue to college football? (Don't pretend that $$$ are not a driver in the game) Also, lets make it a little more interesting. Currently the BCS allows for only 2 teams to be represented from a conference. Does that change in the new system? It's mathematically possible to have 4 teams from a conference finish in the top #12. That would make one third of the field candidates. Is that what the system wants to do?
Just constructive criticism, I'm not bashing your idea, I would just like to hear your response to these questions.
Look, I appreciate everyone's ideas on how to produce a truly fair tournament, but there are issues that bother me from your post:
1. Why does ND continue to be allowed to remain an independent? if we are to remove the major bowl tradition from college football, then the current alliances by the independents should be removed. It's not objective enough to allow ND to remain in their current state if we want complete fairness to determine a NC.
2. There will need to be at least ONE northern bowl game in the Big 4. (In your scenario, that would require at least 2 of the 8 games to be played in the north. For example, it would not be "fair" for a #1 tOSU to play #8 LSU/ASU/USC/UF in their home state. So, you could add a clause that would say no team can play a first round game in their home state, but that would discount the finish of the BCS final standings.
3. Lastly, I acknowledge that there will always be an issue of which team deserves to get in to the field, whether it be determining who is the BCS #2 and #3, or #12 and #13. How much more will the voting matter when Utah (11-1) is going against Oklahoma State (10-2) for that #13 BCS seed. Which university is going to bring in more revenue to college football? (Don't pretend that $$$ are not a driver in the game) Also, lets make it a little more interesting. Currently the BCS allows for only 2 teams to be represented from a conference. Does that change in the new system? It's mathematically possible to have 4 teams from a conference finish in the top #12. That would make one third of the field candidates. Is that what the system wants to do?
Just constructive criticism, I'm not bashing your idea, I would just like to hear your response to these questions.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 11:55 am to SportzIQ3235
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2. There will need to be at least ONE northern bowl game in the Big 4. (In your scenario, that would require at least 2 of the 8 games to be played in the north. For example, it would not be "fair" for a #1 tOSU to play #8 LSU/ASU/USC/UF in their home state. So, you could add a clause that would say no team can play a first round game in their home state, but that would discount the finish of the BCS final standings
Along those lines is the practical logistics of travel. If you keep the current bowls then, using tOSU again, tOSU travels from Columbus to NOLA. they win, so next week they travel to Pasadena? The cost to the university for the band and players to travel to 2-3 bowl sites would be huge. Also, the majority of the fan base would not be able to afford all of those trips.
Get rid of the bowls and play 8 teams with a format like 1-AA.
I like the current system (BCS).
This post was edited on 7/15/09 at 11:56 am
Posted on 7/15/09 at 11:56 am to easy money
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next, a 12 team playoff.....10 conference champions and 2 wild cards (allows a legit 1 loss or 2 loss team and will keep notre dame from having to join a conference): sec, big 12, big 10, pac 10, acc, big east, wac, mountain west, conf. usa, and mac. the teams will be seeded according to their final rankings after championship week. the top 4 ranked conference champs will receive a first round bye.
I stopped reading right here. You have to include all the div 1 conferences or else their ability to recruit will be less than shite.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 11:57 am to easy money
Honestly, 8 games wouldn't be enough to figure out who should play in the champ game.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 12:37 pm to jbirds1
quote:
1. Why does ND continue to be allowed to remain an independent? if we are to remove the major bowl tradition from college football, then the current alliances by the independents should be removed. It's not objective enough to allow ND to remain in their current state if we want complete fairness to determine a NC.
2. There will need to be at least ONE northern bowl game in the Big 4. (In your scenario, that would require at least 2 of the 8 games to be played in the north. For example, it would not be "fair" for a #1 tOSU to play #8 LSU/ASU/USC/UF in their home state. So, you could add a clause that would say no team can play a first round game in their home state, but that would discount the finish of the BCS final standings.
3. Lastly, I acknowledge that there will always be an issue of which team deserves to get in to the field, whether it be determining who is the BCS #2 and #3, or #12 and #13. How much more will the voting matter when Utah (11-1) is going against Oklahoma State (10-2) for that #13 BCS seed. Which university is going to bring in more revenue to college football? (Don't pretend that $$$ are not a driver in the game) Also, lets make it a little more interesting. Currently the BCS allows for only 2 teams to be represented from a conference. Does that change in the new system? It's mathematically possible to have 4 teams from a conference finish in the top #12. That would make one third of the field candidates. Is that what the system wants to do?
Just constructive criticism, I'm not bashing your idea, I would just like to hear your response to these questions.
1.) I totally agree with this aspect. Notre Dame should join a conference, but they won't. Not with the NBC contract.
2.) There are no BCS games played in the north now. It's not good weather for that part of the year. I can't see it happening unless they allowed teams to host and do away with the big sponsorships of the major bcs bowls. won't happen.
3.) The whole point behind the system is to make it more objective. Win your conference. It will not contain the 12 highest ranked teams. It will be made up of mostly conference champs. So we don't have to worry if Utah is better than Okie state. If Utah wins their conference they have a shot to prove they belong. The 2 at large bids would most probably be ranked in the top 10. Mostly objective system. However, you are rewarded for being the best by receiving a bye.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 12:45 pm to jbirds1
quote:Of course not, so we would have to have a 16 team tournament instead. And then bowl games become meaningless, coaches get fired for going 10-2 but never making the tournament, there is still just a s much bitching about who got shafted, we still use the BCS to determine seeding, teams in conferences that have a championship game are in worse shape than teams in conferences that don't, yada yada.
Honestly, 8 games wouldn't be enough to figure out who should play in the champ game.
Boy a playoff sounds awesome.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 12:50 pm to easy money
If we use last year's standings this would be the list of 12.
1 Oklahoma
2 Florida
3 Texas
4 Alabama
5 USC
6 Utah
7 Penn State
8 Boise State
9 Cincinnati
10 Virginia Tech
11 East Carolina
12 Buffalo
In order for Notre Dame to be included they would have to be ranked higher than the two at large teams.
1 Oklahoma
2 Florida
3 Texas
4 Alabama
5 USC
6 Utah
7 Penn State
8 Boise State
9 Cincinnati
10 Virginia Tech
11 East Carolina
12 Buffalo
In order for Notre Dame to be included they would have to be ranked higher than the two at large teams.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 12:58 pm to easy money
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Of course not, so we would have to have a 16 team tournament instead. And then bowl games become meaningless, coaches get fired for going 10-2 but never making the tournament, there is still just a s much bitching about who got shafted, we still use the BCS to determine seeding, teams in conferences that have a championship game are in worse shape than teams in conferences that don't, yada yada.
Boy a playoff sounds awesome.
The point is that every conference will have a championship game and a clear champion. Those teams will participate.
Coaches will get fired regardless.
All bowl games will still be utilized. Actually more attention on bowl games with this format.
I am still not a big fan of a playoff, but I do agree it's coming to it so I would like a system that is more objective and yet unique in it's format. Include the bowl system.
The BCS rankings are important.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 1:18 pm to easy money
One of the things I like about the BCS is that the champion is almost always the best team. I am afraid that if it switched to a playoff, this wouldn't be the case. You might start seeing the equivalent of last year's Arizona Cardinals, Fresno State winning CWS, George Mason, etc. While theyre good stories, I don't like to see "fluke" teams in the championships
Posted on 7/15/09 at 1:20 pm to lesgeaux
I agree. I think the BCS pretty much has it right. The only problem we have ever had was with the Big 12.
Nebraska (2001) and Oklahoma (2003) should not have been in b/c they did not win their conference championship. Other than that, it has worked.
Nebraska (2001) and Oklahoma (2003) should not have been in b/c they did not win their conference championship. Other than that, it has worked.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 2:38 pm to easy money
Not gonna happen and it is unfair to the stronger conferences anyway.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 2:41 pm to easy money
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next, a 12 team playoff
Stopped reading.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 3:41 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
you might as well include all the conferences. 12 sounds like a lot, but there are a lot of conferences. Most with at least 1 major player in the national championship race every year. 12 is a way to reward those who have done well, while including those who we believe to be weaker. It's objective and the strongest team would survive. It seems long, but you'll have to have a lot of teams in the mix if you're going to be objective about it.
if you don't have the courtesy to read it, then don't post.....
"this is where i stopped reading it."
Just click return to board.
if you don't have the courtesy to read it, then don't post.....
"this is where i stopped reading it."
Just click return to board.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 3:49 pm to easy money
Problem #1: You wouldn't have one specific rose bowl champion, sugar bowl champion, etc.
The bowl committees wouldn't allow this. And that is enough to make it not work.
The bowl committees wouldn't allow this. And that is enough to make it not work.
This post was edited on 7/15/09 at 3:53 pm
Posted on 7/15/09 at 3:51 pm to easy money
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11 East Carolina
12 Buffalo
Posted on 7/15/09 at 4:03 pm to SlowFlowPro
I like your 12 team format and ideas. I do say F ND! Make em join the big 10.
I just can't fathom the fact that some are against a playoff system in college!!!
LA High School system has playoff
Division II & III has a playoff
1-AA has playoff
NFL has a playoff.
to you naysayers that a playoff system won't work at Division 1 level college football
It can & should be done.
I just can't fathom the fact that some are against a playoff system in college!!!
LA High School system has playoff
Division II & III has a playoff
1-AA has playoff
NFL has a playoff.
to you naysayers that a playoff system won't work at Division 1 level college football It can & should be done.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 4:04 pm to easy money
quote:I'm not going after your specific plan, I'm against a playoff altogether. Because it would eventually become what I posted earlier.
easy money
I know I'm in the 10% minority, but I think the BCS gets it right. If teams didn't lose, then they wouldn't have to bitch at the end of the year about getting screwed (I know, one time out of 11 years, an undefeated team got left out). I'd rather go back to the old format than have a playoff.
This post was edited on 7/15/09 at 4:06 pm
Posted on 7/15/09 at 4:08 pm to easy money
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the top 4 ranked conference champs will receive a first round bye.
If this whole playoff thing were to happen, the top 8 teams would have to get a bye, and then 9 v. 12, and 10 v. 11.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 4:18 pm to easy money
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All bowl games will still be utilized. Actually more attention on bowl games with this format.
The major bowls would not go for this.
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