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CWS Reflection: Does LSU win without Helenihi at 3rd?

Posted on 6/26/09 at 4:35 pm
Posted by Meauxjeaux
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Posted on 6/26/09 at 4:35 pm
I can think of 3 or 4 critical plays at 3rd - game changing plays.

To me, DH's glove at 3rd was the critical piece of the puzzle in sealing the championship.
Posted by Energizer
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Posted on 6/26/09 at 4:36 pm to
He tore it up fielding. I agree he made some incredible plays
Posted by ProjectP2294
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Posted on 6/26/09 at 4:37 pm to
quote:

To me, DH's glove at 3rd was the critical piece of the puzzle in sealing the championship.


Any runs we gave up with him at the plate were more than made up for by the ones he took away with his glove. I was never a big Helenihi fan, but without some of the plays he made at third I'm not really sure that we would have won.
Posted by someoldhussy
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Posted on 6/26/09 at 4:37 pm to
Yes
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 6/26/09 at 4:39 pm to
easily
Posted by tjohn deaux
GA
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Posted on 6/26/09 at 4:43 pm to
Well, thankfully, we'll never know. But his glove, and even more so, that howitzer of an arm making some of those tough throws, with no time to spare, definitely saved some heartache.
Posted by Maximus
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Posted on 6/26/09 at 4:45 pm to
Never mind that his bat killed innings like the Wild Richard Murphy killed drives
Posted by Acreboy
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Posted on 6/26/09 at 4:46 pm to
that dive and throw was awesome. didn't expect him to have THAT big of an arm.
Posted by Hideo Nomo
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Posted on 6/26/09 at 4:46 pm to
quote:


I can think of 3 or 4 critical plays at 3rd - game changing plays.

To me, DH's glove at 3rd was the critical piece of the puzzle in sealing the championship.


I think it's logical that for all of the awesome defensive plays he had, the miserable batting average might've evened things out. I don't mean to shite on Helenihi because he impressed me at 3rd base, but I think he might've been better utilized as a defensive substitution, assuming that Hanover was ever 100% during the CWS.

Doesn't matter now with the title in hand.
Posted by AlxTgr
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Posted on 6/26/09 at 4:49 pm to
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Posted by JudgeBoyett
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Posted on 6/26/09 at 4:56 pm to
I'm gonna go ahead and trust the coach that just won the national championship with this one. Forgive me if I make the wild assumption that he knows what he's doing by keeping Helenihi in the lineup. I realize it's crazy of me to trust PM's decision over knee-jerk rantards, since they've been right about DJ, Mitchell, Ranaudo starting the 2nd game...and the list goes on and on.
Posted by HOUbengal
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Posted on 6/26/09 at 4:57 pm to
I think PM knew what he was doing going with the Senior and better defender (by far)...however I dont think he was the difference. He was just a solid guy to have behind your pitcher...which ultimately gives the pitcher confidence to throw strikes. He did have an important walk and run in the 1st game and a sac fly to extend the lead to 2 runs in game 3.

One can only guess if Hanover would have made any difference either. No way he makes a difference in game 2, Jungmanns stuff was just too nasty for almost anyone...so the best you could say is that things stay the same. His defense has been atrocious over the last month. His offense hasnt been stellar either recently against quality pitching..but definately better than DH's.

I think we should be talking about DJ and not DH. Without DJ we dont win the CWS. Without DH, we DO win the CWS. Period.

This post was edited on 6/26/09 at 5:12 pm
Posted by Meauxjeaux
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Posted on 6/26/09 at 6:28 pm to
quote:

Never mind that his bat killed innings like the Wild Richard Murphy killed drives



Screw you for making me laugh at this.
Posted by Meauxjeaux
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Posted on 6/26/09 at 6:31 pm to
quote:

that dive and throw was awesome. didn't expect him to have THAT big of an arm.



The barehanded pickup and throw on the slow dribbler down his baseline was a thing of beauty too. 99% of the other people send that throw into the bullpen.
Posted by lynxcat
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Posted on 6/26/09 at 6:35 pm to
Made some great defensive plays, but batting 1 for 25 is inexcusable.
Posted by stickmann
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Posted on 6/26/09 at 7:15 pm to
Man he sucks with the bat in his hand but his fielding really was clutch. I'll say that we probably would have won without Helenihi but we would have had 1-2 errors (from Hanover) that would have made the outcome questionable.

We still win (I think) but Helenihi helped us get there even without his bat.
This post was edited on 6/26/09 at 7:18 pm
Posted by HoumaTigerFan
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 6/28/09 at 5:34 pm to
Game 1 with Texas was decided by only 1 run. I think the tight game was decided on defense as much as it was with DJ and Mikie's bats.

Helenihi was a defensive gem in my opinion. It's a shame he went into such a slump. His bat came in clutch in the SEC Tournament.
Posted by TheDoc
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Posted on 6/28/09 at 5:43 pm to
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It's a shame he went into such a slump.


a 16 month slump?
Posted by Thomas the Tiger
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Posted on 6/28/09 at 6:03 pm to
Not sure ive ever seen a coach play such a huge role in the outcome of a teams season. The changes he made, when he made them, determined the sucess or failure of this team, he pushed all the right buttons at key times. PM deserves to be coach of the year, without him, we dont win it all
Posted by Born to be a Tiger
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Posted on 6/28/09 at 6:04 pm to
My UT friends at work swears he throws around 105 mph.

I think it just looked that fast because of how important those throws were in killing UT's resolve, but what do I know.
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