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re: Jair Jurrjens
Posted on 5/14/09 at 12:14 pm to supatigah
Posted on 5/14/09 at 12:14 pm to supatigah
quote:
So some anonymous scout thinks in 5 years the 6'0 160lb Jurrjens will be an ace and would take him over the 6'7 200lb Mike Pelfrey 10 out of 10 times? really?
well there you have it folks
obviously pelfrey is better bc he is taller and fatter
case closed
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Posted on 5/14/09 at 12:15 pm to Lester Earl
A low K rate isn't a problem if you get a lot of ground ball outs, but Jurjens has a GB% in the lower quarter of the league (37%). Its gonna catch up to him and that ERA will climb.
Posted on 5/14/09 at 12:23 pm to FredSecunda
quote:no you don't. Maddux was dominant, Glavine was dominant, Webb has been dominant. Winning games and not giving up runs is being dominant IMO
You don't have be overpowering to be dominant.
Posted on 5/14/09 at 12:25 pm to Lester Earl
Warthen has been working with Pelfrey after Rick Peterson did his best to screw him up by constantly tinkering with him. Pelfrey was throwing a plus plus fastball and a plus curve ball in AAA but when he got to the show, Peterson forbade Pelfrey from throwing the curve, changed his mechanics and forced him to throw a slider more which flattened out his fastball.
Posted on 5/14/09 at 12:25 pm to Ron Mexico
quote:
bc he is taller and fatter
quote:
6'7 200lb Mike Pelfrey
6'7" and 200 lbs does not = fat Ronnie Cat
Posted on 5/14/09 at 12:28 pm to supatigah
Sounds like the Mets have a shite front office to allow coaches that screw up prospects.
+1 for Braves fans
+1 for Braves fans
Posted on 5/14/09 at 12:28 pm to Ron Mexico
quote:
obviously pelfrey is better bc he is taller and fatter
yeah dickhead, that is exactly what I said
luck for you I didnt say anything about JJ being a small frame/high effort guy, and pelfrey being a big frame/low effort. Cause you know those small high effort guys just eat innings and last forever while those big low effort guys just flame out after a couple of seasons.
right ron?
Posted on 5/14/09 at 12:30 pm to supatigah
quote:
Cause you know those small high effort guys just eat innings and last forever while those big low effort guys just flame out after a couple of seasons
Hudson sucks arse, imho.
Posted on 5/14/09 at 12:32 pm to Dale Murphy
quote:
Sounds like the Mets have a shite front office to allow coaches that screw up prospects.
did you hear the news? the Mets fired Rick Peterson recently, it was in all the papers
Posted on 5/14/09 at 12:36 pm to supatigah
I had Jair last year on my fantasy team and really liked him but i couldn't spend $14 on him at this year's auction
Posted on 5/14/09 at 12:36 pm to rondo
quote:
6'7" and 200 lbs does not = fat Ronnie Cat
If you read this quickly, it sounds almost like Rondo is implying that Ronnie Mex is fat.
Posted on 5/14/09 at 12:45 pm to buzwa
quote:
A low K rate isn't a problem if you get a lot of ground ball outs
i never said it was a problem. He's a good pitcher with a bright future.
but it becomes a problem when you start throwing the word "elite" and "dominant" around. Which he is not.
Posted on 5/14/09 at 12:53 pm to Lester Earl
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but it becomes a problem when you start throwing the word "elite" and "dominant" around. Which he is not.
I'm not disagreeing with you, but would you call Tom Glavine in his prime an "elite" or "dominant" pitcher?
Posted on 5/14/09 at 12:53 pm to Pilot Tiger
quote:
Maddux was dominant, Glavine was dominant, Webb has been dominant.
Maddux & Webb= good strikeout pitchers
Posted on 5/14/09 at 12:54 pm to Lester Earl
quote:
but it becomes a problem when you start throwing the word "elite" and "dominant" around. Which he is not.
exactly and FTR I don't think pelfrey will ever become elite either but he can be a solid #2 who pitches 200 innings and wins 15-18 games every year
Posted on 5/14/09 at 12:55 pm to FredSecunda
Glavine had exceptional control and command of his pitches and that made him an elite level pitcher imho
Posted on 5/14/09 at 12:57 pm to FredSecunda
quote:
I'm not disagreeing with you, but would you call Tom Glavine in his prime an "elite" or "dominant" pitcher?
definitely he was.
I said there were some exceptions.
He was also lefthanded.
How many RH finesse pitchers do you see that are elite?
A lot of people would say Maddux, but Maddux in his prime threw in the low 90's, and struckout a lot of batters.
Jurrjens will never be as good as Glavine was in his prime. He's a career #2 guy. And there is nothing wrong with that. Or i should say he has #2 stuff. Because he could end up being the "ace" of the Braves staff.
This post was edited on 5/14/09 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 5/14/09 at 12:59 pm to Lester Earl
quote:
Jurrjens will never be as good as Glavine was in his prime. He's a career #2 guy. And there is nothing wrong with that
I agree with all of this.
Posted on 5/14/09 at 1:04 pm to supatigah
twas a joke supa, frick
Posted on 5/14/09 at 1:07 pm to Ron Mexico
just giving you some shite ronnie, it's all good 
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