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We see the results of our revolving door of “justice” every day. Meanwhile…

Posted on 4/11/26 at 10:48 am
Posted by High C
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Posted on 4/11/26 at 10:48 am
The progressive mindset that incarceration along with law and order are bad is allowing the victims to pile up here. The victims continue to be ignored in favor of suicidal empathy for the criminals. They claim that locking them up or executing them just won’t work. El Salvador begs to differ:

Posted by MemphisGuy
Germantown, TN
Member since Nov 2023
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Posted on 4/11/26 at 10:50 am to
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They claim that locking them up or executing them just won’t work.

Call me crazy... but executing a repeat offender will certainly keep them from repeating, would it not? I mean... if you are a repeat offender, you've quite clearly shown you lack the ability to function among society. So remove the chance of them ever being among society again.
Posted by LordSaintly
Member since Dec 2005
42999 posts
Posted on 4/11/26 at 10:51 am to
Good post. We can absolutely jail our way out of crime. We have to start by ignoring people who complain about it.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
474285 posts
Posted on 4/11/26 at 10:59 am to
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El Salvador begs to differ:

Yes if we become a totalitarian regime that ignores our basic rights, we can make our low crime rate even lower.

We should shite on what it means to be American completely, however.

It would also cost an absolutely unfathomable amount of public money to accomplish.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
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Posted on 4/11/26 at 11:00 am to
you leftards hate Bukele
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
474285 posts
Posted on 4/11/26 at 11:00 am to
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We have to start by ignoring people who complain about it.

AKA, people who respect our rights as Americans

Y'all are wild.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
474285 posts
Posted on 4/11/26 at 11:02 am to
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you leftards hate Bukele


Are you defining "leftards" as people who believe in our Constitution and our rights as people in America?

If that's how you define it, then sure.
Posted by High C
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Member since Nov 2012
60710 posts
Posted on 4/11/26 at 11:03 am to
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It would also cost an absolutely unfathomable amount of public money to accomplish.


How is El Salvador doing it financially?

I also think that law and order for repeat offenders is far from totalitarian policy.
Posted by JiminyCricket
Member since Jun 2017
6499 posts
Posted on 4/11/26 at 11:05 am to
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Yes if we become a totalitarian regime that ignores our basic rights, we can make our low crime rate even lower. We should shite on what it means to be American completely, however. It would also cost an absolutely unfathomable amount of public money to accomplish.



That’s a false dilemma. There are absolutely ways to clean up our broken system that releases violent thugs back onto the streets over and over again without having to support totalitarianism. But I’m sure you know that.
This post was edited on 4/11/26 at 11:06 am
Posted by C
Houston
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 4/11/26 at 11:05 am to
Just return to the 3 strikes and your out law. Life in prison
Posted by LordSaintly
Member since Dec 2005
42999 posts
Posted on 4/11/26 at 11:05 am to
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AKA, people who respect our rights as Americans


I said no such thing.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
474285 posts
Posted on 4/11/26 at 11:06 am to
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How is El Salvador doing it financially?

a. Ignoring rights

b. They're a small country which is, I believe, primarily a national government.

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I also think that law and order for repeat offenders is far from totalitarian policy.

Those laws already exist. Many crimes are enhanceable and most states have some form of habitual offender sentencing.

But you're conflating things, regardless. Bukele is a totalitarian ignoring basic rights and due process, and that's the only way he can implement this policy. To do the same here would require mimicking that behavior, just on a larger scale with a more complex society and governmental structure.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
60878 posts
Posted on 4/11/26 at 11:06 am to
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Call me crazy... but executing a repeat offender will certainly keep them from repeating, would it not?


If we really cared about safety, we would kill or incarcerate everyone. It’s the only way to really ensure no crime will be committed. Until you support that, you’re just virtue signaling.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
97157 posts
Posted on 4/11/26 at 11:07 am to
No im defining you as a leftard who hates Bukele

Like all Dems
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
474285 posts
Posted on 4/11/26 at 11:07 am to
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That’s a false dilemma.

It is, in fact, not.

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There are absolutely ways to clean up our broken system t

He referenced a specific example. Don't create a pivot-digression by applying these other hypothetical policies for your motte and bailey fallacy.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
474285 posts
Posted on 4/11/26 at 11:07 am to
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No im defining you as a leftard

What is your operative definition of "leftard" then?

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
474285 posts
Posted on 4/11/26 at 11:08 am to
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I said no such thing.


America has a robust system of rights with respect to state aggression against the individual, friend, which is primarily seen in the criminal justice system.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
97157 posts
Posted on 4/11/26 at 11:09 am to
Someone who supports liberal ideology like you

Who hates the constution unless its convenient for you

Someone who cries about Bukele and Orange man bad all day



Posted by 3nOut
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Jan 2013
32282 posts
Posted on 4/11/26 at 11:09 am to
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Yes if we become a totalitarian regime that ignores our basic rights, we can make our low crime rate even lower.


I dunno man. They arrested 100,000 people and crime basically disappeared.

Seems like people’s rights to live a free and safe existence doesn’t sound as bad under a totalitarian dictator compared to living next to the guy out on bail for the 13th time and murdered somebody.

That sort of thinking is what leads to “and then one day, for no reason whatsoever, the people elected Hitler/Mussolini/Franco.”
This post was edited on 4/11/26 at 11:11 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
474285 posts
Posted on 4/11/26 at 11:11 am to
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Someone who supports liberal ideology like you

You have to define "liberal ideology" to make that definition work. You're just engaging in a tautology here to avoid responding relevantly.

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