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Have Tarrifs worked?

Posted on 4/10/26 at 10:37 am
Posted by ChiGator
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Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
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Posted on 4/10/26 at 10:40 am to
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For the fiscal year to date, the U.S. budget deficit totaled $1.004 trillion, about 12% lower than the comparable period in 2025, as government revenues rose faster than spending.

Customs duties totaled $151 billion through the first five months of the fiscal year, up about $113 billion, or 294%, from a year earlier.



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Outlays exceeded receipts by $308 billion in February, roughly in line with the deficit recorded in the same month a year ago.

For the fiscal year to date, the deficit totaled $1.004 trillion, about 12% lower than the comparable period in 2025, as government revenues rose faster than spending.

Helping narrow the gap was a sharp increase in tariff collections. Customs duties totaled $151 billion through the first five months of the fiscal year, up about $113 billion, or 294%, from a year earlier.



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Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
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Posted on 4/10/26 at 10:40 am to
I guess it depends on what you mean by "worked."

They haven't magically created a situation in which Trump was able to draw water out of just one side of the pool.

Of course, anybody who thought that was possible was a moron to begin with and will deny the data you just posted.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
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Posted on 4/10/26 at 10:42 am to
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stout


This guy, for example, is defining "working" as collecting money.

I don't know anyone who would have disputed that from the outset.

The American people have been taxed and money has been collected. That's what we told you would happen.
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
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Posted on 4/10/26 at 10:42 am to
Tariffs are more of a fair tax than the current system, wouldn't you agree?

Posted by ReauxlTide222
St. Petersburg
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Posted on 4/10/26 at 10:44 am to
Is the scale of that graph purposely meant to be misleading?
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
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Posted on 4/10/26 at 10:44 am to
And some automotive businesses are relocating some labor here due to tariffs, if that's someone's definition of "working.".

I doubt it offsets the jobs lost by businesses who downsized, cancelled expansion plans, or laid workers off due to tariffs, but those numbers would have to be run.
This post was edited on 4/10/26 at 10:45 am
Posted by ReauxlTide222
St. Petersburg
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 4/10/26 at 10:45 am to
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The American people have been taxed
Can’t one choose to be rational and alter their habits to avoid this tax?
This post was edited on 4/10/26 at 10:47 am
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
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Posted on 4/10/26 at 10:46 am to
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Tariffs are more of a fair tax than the current system, wouldn't you agree?


They are a consumption tax, which I like more than an income tax, but there's a big problem with that theory.

We still have the current system, and it's not going away regardless of what Trump says.

Look, I don't mind raising taxes to pay down the debt IF we also cut spending. But we're still increasing that too.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
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Posted on 4/10/26 at 10:47 am to
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Can’t one choose to be rational and alter their habits to avoid this tax?


No, and the reason why has been explained a zillion times.
Posted by LSUBALLER
Louisiana
Member since Jul 2013
21482 posts
Posted on 4/10/26 at 10:47 am to
So you wake up thinking what can I bitch about this man again and again. You like Groundhog Day but funnier.
Posted by deuceiswild
South La
Member since Nov 2007
4834 posts
Posted on 4/10/26 at 10:49 am to
They didn't "not work" in my opinion.

They did bring in a lot of money and no one is going to be refunded. They will remain in place or be reimposed under a different authority.

And it will take years for the ultimate results to be seen.

I hope most or all of them are still in place when democrats regain power, whenever that may be. They'll never get rid of them. Because they need to be in place. The sky screamers will be silent.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
27926 posts
Posted on 4/10/26 at 10:55 am to
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Tariffs are more of a fair tax than the current system, wouldn't you agree?


Tariffs allow the federal government to pick winners and losers. As shitty as the current system is I don't see the upside to adding another layer of shite.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
27926 posts
Posted on 4/10/26 at 11:02 am to
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I hope most or all of them are still in place when democrats regain power, whenever that may be. They'll never get rid of them.


No kidding. Democrats don't typically get rid of taxes, they love them.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
12859 posts
Posted on 4/10/26 at 11:03 am to
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They did bring in a lot of money and no one is going to be refunded. They will remain in place or be reimposed under a different authority.

And it will take years for the ultimate results to be seen.

I hope most or all of them are still in place when democrats regain power, whenever that may be. They'll never get rid of them. Because they need to be in place. The sky screamers will be silent.


Where do you get that the tariffs will not have to be refunded? Looks to me like there is still plenty of push for that to happen.

Refunds

Also, if the tariffs stay in place in won't be because "they have to." It will be because they are a liberal idea to begin with, so the Democrats won't object to them. Just like Biden didn't.

I personally think the next Democrat who takes office WILL get rid of these, simply because of the punitive and petty way Trump went about imposing them in the first place. I think this time around they'll see it as an opportunity to curry favor with many of the nations that Trump pissed off. and get rid of most if not all of them.

That's if Trump doesn't back off of them himself, which is what I originally predicted, and what brings us to this:

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And it will take years for the ultimate results to be seen.


Nope. The ultimate results are in the OP's graph. My original prediction was that by this summer the negative effects on businesses and consumers would become impossible to hide and impossible to deny, and it looks like were are right on track for that prediction to come true.

And the Democrats are going to start swinging that club going into the midterms when it does reach that critical mass.

My original prediction was that Trump was going to back off the tariffs to save the midterms, but there's been so much stuff that has happened since then that I couldn't have anticipated, I might have underestimated his resolve to continue with a bad idead regardless of the cost on the tariffs.
Posted by Tridentds
Sugar Land
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 4/10/26 at 11:04 am to
Good grief. When I see a post like yours I question intelligence immediately.

Do some of you really think big companies can move production/manufacturing from one country to another in a year? How about 2 years?

Round 1 of winning with tariffs is a commitment from foreign countries to invest hundreds of billions in US. They don’t write a check at that moments JFC. It takes a few years to plan,locate a site, have detailed site developments engineered, work with local electric to plant an upgrade or just provide power, get local and state approvals. Etc. then negotiate construction, start ordering capital equipment, and so on. Takes years to come to any kind of fruition.

Hey… let’s see if tariffs worked one year after implementation???

Sometimes the idiocy on this site is absolutely stunning.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
12859 posts
Posted on 4/10/26 at 11:09 am to
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Do some of you really think big companies can move production/manufacturing from one country to another in a year? How about 2 years?


How about three years? When Trump is no longer in office and the tariffs can disappear with the swipe of an auto-pen?

And that's why "pledging to invest in American manufacturing" means dick.

Not only that, but whether it's even a good thing for Americans if manufacturing comes back here depends entirely upon whether a company will encounter a sharp increase in labor costs by moving back here.

If they do, then everyone in America who buys that product will pay more for it for the benefit of a few thousand people who will have jobs that pay $45,000 a year instead of $37,000 a year.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
27926 posts
Posted on 4/10/26 at 11:12 am to
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If they do, then everyone in America who buys that product will pay more for it for the benefit of a few thousand people who will have jobs that pay $45,000 a year instead of $37,000 a year.


In before "I'll gladly pay more for American goods", proudly stated by people who regularly shop at Walmart.
Posted by ChiGator
Member since Nov 2020
4043 posts
Posted on 4/10/26 at 11:13 am to
No most companies don’t have the ability to do that. A competent administration would have provided companies incentives over time to make moves abroad before being hit with tarrifs.

And you know what makes it even more challenging? When policy changes weekly based on how the old man on Truth Social is feeling.
Posted by Ten Bears
Florida
Member since Oct 2018
4971 posts
Posted on 4/10/26 at 11:13 am to
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Hey… let’s see if tariffs worked one year after implementation???


So, what is the acceptable timeline to determine success or failure? Because almost one year after imposition, we know the following:

1) Tariffs did not eliminate the income tax
2) Tariffs did not create a single new manufacturing job.
3) Tariffs, shockingly, did not allow to "refinance" our debt. I am absolutely astonished by this.
4) Tariffs didn't even generate all this new government revenue due to most of it having to be refunded.

So, it is a very ACCURATE statement to say that tariffs, one-year post implementation have not accomplished anything of merit to claim as a success.
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