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A new way to measure poverty shows the US falling behind Europe

Posted on 4/9/26 at 3:26 pm
Posted by Shexter
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Posted on 4/9/26 at 3:26 pm
TL/DR - The ever-increasing income gap is causing the US as a whole to become a poorer country.

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As of 2025, the time needed to earn $1 is 63 minutes in the US. This is about twice the average across Germany, France and the UK.

In Germany, Europe’s largest economy, it takes 26 minutes. In France, the figure is 31 minutes, while in the UK it rises slightly to 34 minutes.

These figures suggest that average poverty in the US is about twice that of these three countries.


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The new measure also shows that average poverty in the US has increased almost continuously since 1990, despite strong growth in average incomes. In contrast, it has declined over time in most other high-income countries.


https://www.euronews.com/business/2026/03/29/a-new-way-to-measure-poverty-shows-the-us-falling-behind-europe

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Comparing economies and poverty is challenging, as different measures can lead to different results. Olivier Sterck, an Associate Professor of Economics at the University of Oxford, has developed a new way to measure poverty, which he calls “average poverty”.

He finds that “average poverty is substantially higher in the US, even though average incomes are higher than in most Western European countries”.

When Gross Domestic Product (GDP) per capita is compared between the US and Europe, the figures suggest a striking result: the poorest US state rivals Germany.

In the third quarter of 2024, Mississippi, the poorest US state, had a GDP per capita of €49,780 ($53,872). In Germany, it was €51,304 in 2024 — a gap of only about €1,500.


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However, Olivier Sterck emphasises that viewing poverty as a spectrum changes the conversation. It reveals what poverty lines miss and why inequality matters so much.

According to Sterck’s research, published on SSRN, an online repository for academic work, “average poverty” is defined as the average time needed to earn $1. “The measure is inclusive, distribution-sensitive, decomposable, and aligns with how both experts and the public conceptualise poverty,” he says.

The $1 is measured in international dollars. This means it buys the same amount of goods and services in any country as a US dollar does in the United States. It is often used alongside purchasing power parity (PPP) data. The “time” refers to a day of life for anyone, at any age and in any circumstance — not just the hours worked by someone with a job.

Time needed to earn $1 in international dollars
As of 2025, the time needed to earn $1 is 63 minutes in the US. This is about twice the average across Germany, France and the UK.

In Germany, Europe’s largest economy, it takes 26 minutes. In France, the figure is 31 minutes, while in the UK it rises slightly to 34 minutes.

These figures suggest that average poverty in the US is about twice that of these three countries.


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For example, in 1990, it took 43 minutes to earn $1 in the US. This was almost the same as in France (42 minutes) and shorter than in the UK (51 minutes). Germany had the lowest time at 34 minutes.

“Take two individuals randomly from the populations of these countries: the expected ratio of their incomes is above 4 in the US, but only about 1.5 in the three European countries. This shows how income levels are much more dispersed in the US.

As a result, there is a higher proportion of individuals with low incomes in the US, and they take more time to earn $1,” Olivier Sterck told Euronews Business.

Growth in average income vs average inequality
According to this metric, the time needed to earn $1 has risen by 20 minutes, or 47%, in the US over the past 35 years. All three European economies recorded declines, with the UK seeing the largest drop.

Why is that? He points out that, in all four countries, average incomes have grown by a little over 1% per year over recent decades, according to World Bank PIP data. However, in the US, average inequality has increased by about 2.2% per year, outpacing income growth.

“This explains why average poverty increased in the US: average inequality grew faster than average income,” he says.


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“How can a rich country’s economy grow and yet become poorer?” Sterck asks, referring to the US in his article for The Conversation.

His answer is simple: inequality.

He notes that poverty can change for two main reasons: incomes rise or fall, or income distribution becomes more or less unequal.

In the US case, average poverty increases even in a growing economy because inequality rises faster than incomes grow.
Posted by medium_okra
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Posted on 4/9/26 at 3:27 pm to
Importing more 3rd world savages is definitely the solution here.
Posted by Icceytiger
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Posted on 4/9/26 at 3:28 pm to
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His answer is simple: inequality.


makes everything completely BS
Posted by Shexter
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Posted on 4/9/26 at 3:30 pm to
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Michael W. Green, a Wall Street investor, created a buzz in late 2025 by arguing that the U.S. poverty line should be jacked up to US$140,000 for a family of four. Currently, a family of that size has to be eking by on $33,000 a year to qualify as poor in the federal government’s eyes.

His critique builds on a broader debate about how to measure poverty in the United States. The U.S. government has made few changes to how it officially calculates the poverty rate since President Lyndon B. Johnson launched the “war on poverty” in the 1960s.

Outlets such as The Washington Post, Fortune and Fox News covered Green’s assertions, sparking a flurry of public debate over a topic usually relegated to economists like me.

Having spent more than 15 years researching poverty as an economist, I believe that whether the government ought to draw this line at $33,000, $100,000 or $140,000 is not the real issue. Instead, I’ve been arguing that there is no magic threshold below which you are poor and above which you’re doing fine. Instead, poverty should be understood as a spectrum that can be measured without relying on arbitrary lines.


https://theconversation.com/measuring-poverty-on-a-spectrum-instead-of-an-arbitrary-line-conveys-a-more-accurate-picture-of-inequality-271912
Posted by Fun Bunch
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Posted on 4/9/26 at 3:30 pm to
"let's figure out a way to make the numbers look worse for the US and make communism the answer"
Posted by Shexter
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Posted on 4/9/26 at 3:33 pm to
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make communism the answer


He's comparing the US to Germany, France, & UK - last time I checked.......
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
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Posted on 4/9/26 at 3:41 pm to
Not on tOT.
Posted by lsu777
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Posted on 4/9/26 at 3:43 pm to
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"let's figure out a way to make the numbers look worse for the US and make communism the answer"


pretty much
Posted by Shexter
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Posted on 4/9/26 at 3:45 pm to
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Not on tOT


In hindsight, you're probably correct
Posted by Marshhen
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Posted on 4/9/26 at 3:46 pm to
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Michael W. Green, a Wall Street investor,



Hmmmm…. Surprising, liberal elite thinks $150,000 is poor.
Posted by N2cars
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 4/9/26 at 3:48 pm to
And yet, the WSJ says this:

Posted by upgrayedd
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Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 4/9/26 at 3:49 pm to
Who knew importing 10s of millions of people via illegal immigration and H1-Bs would drive down wages and have real economic effects?

ETA: Also, printing trillions of dollars has some pretty nasty effects as well
This post was edited on 4/9/26 at 4:35 pm
Posted by beerJeep
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Member since Nov 2016
38320 posts
Posted on 4/9/26 at 3:50 pm to
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He finds that “average poverty is substantially higher in the US, even though average incomes are higher than in most Western European countries”.


34k American puts you in the top 1% of the world.

American poverty isn’t real poverty
Posted by bad93ex
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Posted on 4/9/26 at 3:55 pm to
Posted by Cosmo
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Posted on 4/9/26 at 4:00 pm to
Out “poor people” are fat and have smart phones and free housing
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
138740 posts
Posted on 4/9/26 at 4:03 pm to
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34k American puts you in the top 1% of the world. American poverty isn’t real poverty

To be fair, that’s like saying making $65k in SF means you’re doing just fine because it’s a good wage in Topeka, KS
Posted by jizzle6609
Houston
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19779 posts
Posted on 4/9/26 at 4:14 pm to
I think a lot of people should consider moving to Europe. It seems like it’s for the best.
Posted by PCRammer
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Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 4/9/26 at 4:14 pm to
WUT! When I was 11 in 1984 my grandad would pay me $1 for every 60 minutes I'd ride on his Lance truck and help deliver toastchee, captain wafers, and other goodies to area shops and restaurants.

So I was doing better at 11 in the 80's than the average person is now?
Posted by Shexter
Prairieville
Member since Feb 2014
20357 posts
Posted on 4/9/26 at 4:30 pm to

Grandpa was paying you less than minimum wage.

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$1 in 1984 is equivalent in purchasing power to approximately $3.15 today


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So I was doing better at 11 in the 80's than the average person is now?


No, not the "Average person"
Yes, doing better than probably half the country.

People in poverty aren't putting in 40 hours a week. Maybe it's their laziness, maybe they have another reason.

Poor person working a part-time job $7.25 an hour minimum wage x 20 hours per week x 52 weeks = $7,540 per year
$7,540 yearly divided by 8760 hours in a year = $0.86 per hour

I think that's the kind of math they're doing here.

IB4 -get a better job

Posted by wdhalgren
Member since May 2013
5064 posts
Posted on 4/9/26 at 4:36 pm to
Before judging the results of that analysis, I'd need to know the methodology. How, exactly, do they come up with that measure of average time to earn $1? And, if the data is "inclusive", how did they handle people with no job? Is the word "earn" even valid in this context? And how did they come up with the dollar unit? Among other questions. Without a full understanding of their methods and the sources of their underlying data, no way to know if the numbers are meaningful or useful.
This post was edited on 4/9/26 at 4:42 pm
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