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How does the government know how many people are self deporting?

Posted on 4/1/26 at 11:34 am
Posted by weagle1999
Member since May 2025
2581 posts
Posted on 4/1/26 at 11:34 am
Are the numbers real and verifiable or estimated?
Posted by Hangover Haven
Metry
Member since Oct 2013
33155 posts
Posted on 4/1/26 at 11:36 am to
Doesn't the government offer services for that?
Posted by SirWinston
Say NO to War
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 4/1/26 at 11:37 am to
The "self-deportation" figures released by Kristi Noem’s Department of Homeland Security (DHS) have been widely sussed out as statistically manipulated. The numbers—which claim over 2 million self-deportations since January 20, 2025—rely on a massive logical leap and a specific, flawed benchmark.

Why the Figures are Nonsense

The primary reason these figures are considered "lying numbers" is attribution bias. DHS is claiming credit for every person who leaves the United States for any reason—retirement, family visits, or natural churn—and labeling them as "self-deported" due to the administration's "crackdown."

The "CBP Home" Discrepancy: While Noem claimed millions were leaving, internal data for the CBP Home App (the digital portal for "Operation Homecoming") showed only 356 people had actually used the app to register their departure in its first five weeks.

Zero Verification: There is no physical tracking of these 2 million individuals. Unlike formal "removals" (deportations), "self-deportations" are not processed at the border; they are estimated based on population declines in surveys, which doesn't account for people simply moving "into the shadows" or changing how they identify to surveyors.

The Statistical Benchmark: CPS vs. Reality

To calculate these figures, Noem’s DHS utilized a specific statistical benchmark: The Current Population Survey (CPS), a monthly household survey conducted by the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS).

The Methodology: They took the "Foreign-Born" population totals from the CPS and compared them month-over-month. When the survey showed a dip in the total number of foreign-born individuals (e.g., a drop of 625,000 in a single month), DHS recorded that entire delta as a "success" for their enforcement policies.

The Flaw: The CPS has a high margin of error for sub-populations. A drop in the survey often reflects "sampling noise" or seasonal migration patterns rather than actual permanent departures.

Broad Categorisation: The benchmark used doesn't distinguish between legal residents, naturalised citizens, and illegal immigrants. By using the "Overall Foreign-Born" decline, the DHS is essentially counting a legal immigrant moving back to their home country for retirement as a "self-deportation" triggered by Noem’s policies.
This post was edited on 4/1/26 at 11:39 am
Posted by TheGeauxt9
South Louisiana
Member since May 2021
956 posts
Posted on 4/1/26 at 11:38 am to
Sales of Mexican beer have lowered and traffic is a tad better
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
76062 posts
Posted on 4/1/26 at 11:38 am to
You could start with the number of wired money transfers heading south weekly. Embassy reports. Modelo sales lol
This post was edited on 4/1/26 at 11:39 am
Posted by SirWinston
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Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 4/1/26 at 11:42 am to
The numbers are as fake as Bryon Noem's KK titties. Actual fact based guess is 65,000.

Everything about Trump 2.0 is carnival barker style hype. Its so annoying.
This post was edited on 4/1/26 at 11:43 am
Posted by weagle1999
Member since May 2025
2581 posts
Posted on 4/1/26 at 11:45 am to
quote:

wired money transfers heading south


Why aren’t we taxing those at 100%?

I really don’t know if our economic system is conducive to keeping a country like ours intact.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
58982 posts
Posted on 4/1/26 at 11:46 am to
Who do you think pays the exit bonus?
Posted by IndianPower
Louisiana
Member since May 2021
1707 posts
Posted on 4/1/26 at 11:47 am to
No number the government spits out is accurate.

None
Nada
Zilch
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
58982 posts
Posted on 4/1/26 at 11:47 am to
quote:

fact based guess




quote:

The primary reason these figures are considered "lying numbers" is attribution bias. DHS is claiming credit for every person who leaves the United States for any reason—retirement, family visits, or natural churn—and labeling them as "self-deported" due to the administration's "crackdown."


Prove it.
This post was edited on 4/1/26 at 11:48 am
Posted by TigerAxeOK
Where I lay my head is home.
Member since Dec 2016
37592 posts
Posted on 4/1/26 at 11:47 am to
quote:

How does the government know how many people are self deporting?

Don't think there's any way of knowing for certain. They're probably getting their estimates off of people using the self-deport programs and also looking at applicants for entitlement benefits for migrants.

There's zero doubt that people are self-deporting, but I don't know how we could ever get the actual numbers. If they're telling you numbers, it's a hypothesis.
Posted by SirWinston
Say NO to War
Member since Jul 2014
104273 posts
Posted on 4/1/26 at 11:48 am to
You laugh at me but not the 2+ million figure.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
58982 posts
Posted on 4/1/26 at 11:49 am to
quote:

You laugh at me but not the 2+ million figure.


Yep. You provide even less substance than Noem.
Posted by BigD45
The Boot!
Member since Feb 2007
2319 posts
Posted on 4/1/26 at 11:49 am to
quote:

Are the numbers real and verifiable or estimated?


Any time you leave the country, you have to present your papers to Customs and Border Patrol. What they're counting on the other side of that is anybody's guess.

Can it be verified? Absolutely! They know if you have left. They know if you are still gone. They know if you have come back.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
12858 posts
Posted on 4/1/26 at 11:53 am to
quote:

They know if you have come back.


Only if you come back claiming "asylum" rather than swimming across the Rio Grande and digging under a fence. And use your real name. Both coming and going.
Posted by AUauditor
Georgia
Member since Sep 2004
1697 posts
Posted on 4/1/26 at 11:54 am to
I don't know how accurate the records are; however, it is my understanding that self-deporting illegals CAN apply for a free flight and a $1,000 (actually, it is $2600). So, it could be all that accepted that deal.

LINK
Posted by FLTech
he/won
Member since Sep 2017
27770 posts
Posted on 4/1/26 at 11:58 am to
Because they are paying them $3,000 plus a free plane ticket back to their shitholes

This also helps them count the deportations

Posted by BigD45
The Boot!
Member since Feb 2007
2319 posts
Posted on 4/1/26 at 12:17 pm to
quote:

Only if you come back claiming "asylum" rather than swimming across the Rio Grande and digging under a fence. And use your real name. Both coming and going.


Yeah, if it's illegal, coming or going, they're not registering on the ticker. If they're leaving, most of them are going to take the path of least resistance. Swimming across the Rio Grande and dealing with that part of the country afoot isn't high on the list of options for those leaving.
Posted by andwesway
Zachary, LA
Member since Jun 2016
3267 posts
Posted on 4/1/26 at 12:33 pm to
Satisfaction surveys?
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