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Is regime change the only acceptable outcome for the US in Iran?

Posted on 3/22/26 at 12:11 pm
Posted by DeathByTossDive225
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Posted on 3/22/26 at 12:11 pm
Arms Control Association analysts have argued that strikes on Iran would likely set the program back only temporarily because Iran’s technical knowledge cannot be bombed away.

States attacked over nuclear programs may conclude that only an actual nuclear deterrent can prevent future attacks (the North Korea vs Libya lesson).

Netanyahu’s criticisms of JCPOA were that it would only delay Iran’s nuclear capabilities & that it didn’t include their missile program (kind of unrealistic to expect a country not to have ballistic missiles IMO, but that’s another topic).

Absent regime change, bombing Iran also only delays nuclear capabilities. The main difference is that instead of creating a platform for future diplomacy, the most likely outcome is that this increases the likelihood the regime pursues a weapon in the long-term.

To summarize it… Absent regime change, leaving JCPOA will be historically framed a major strategic miscalculation. But if regime change is achieved & the new regime is cooperative, this military operation will be historically framed as a major success.

The problem is regime change may not be easy & there’s no guarantee a new regime will be more amenable. What would it take?
This post was edited on 3/22/26 at 1:28 pm
Posted by theballguy
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Posted on 3/22/26 at 12:12 pm to
Whatever and as much as it takes.
Posted by td01241
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Posted on 3/22/26 at 12:12 pm to
Now that they have shown they have Intermediate Range Ballistic Missiles, yes. No matter the cost.

It will be our only war worth fighting since ww2, for multiple reasons
This post was edited on 3/22/26 at 12:16 pm
Posted by AlterEd
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Posted on 3/22/26 at 12:13 pm to
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What would it take?


It's going to take the people of Iran reclaiming their own country.
Posted by The Baker
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Posted on 3/22/26 at 12:16 pm to
If that regime survives this shite will persist for decades.
Posted by DeathByTossDive225
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Posted on 3/22/26 at 12:18 pm to
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Now that they have shown they have Intermediate Range Ballistic Missiles, yes. No matter the cost.

I think that was an improvised launch involving their space program just based on context & how badly they missed.

Kind of supports the point on escalation / incentivizing them accelerating their capabilities though. I think we really played this poorly the last 10 years, but we’re in it now.

I’m thinking about short-term off-ramps and long-term consequences (5-10 years out)… in other words what would constitute success here.
This post was edited on 3/22/26 at 12:21 pm
Posted by AlterEd
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Posted on 3/22/26 at 12:20 pm to
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I’m thinking about off-ramps and long-term consequences (5-10 years out)


Trump just told the world he's going to just wash his hands of this and walk away. That's our off ramp. Leave it to the Israelis and Iran's neighbors. With the knowledge that if they pull any bullshite the US has bombs with their names on them too, so play nice.
Posted by Powerman
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Posted on 3/22/26 at 12:21 pm to
It might be worth pointing out that we don't have a successful example in history of an aerial campaign alone causing regime change. We can cut the head off of the snake but there are more snakes to take their place. I don't think playing whack a mole with every new leader is a good long term strategy.

If we want regime change it will likely require boots on the ground. If that happens, the mid terms will be a blood bath and you might not see another republican president for decades.
Posted by DeathByTossDive225
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Posted on 3/22/26 at 12:23 pm to
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Trump just told the world he's going to just wash his hands of this and walk away. That's our off ramp.

That feels like the best play today & economically. But it’ll play poorly geopolitically & if the regime survives we won’t have gotten much bang for our buck out of this.
Posted by FLTech
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Posted on 3/22/26 at 12:24 pm to
I'm not sure if you have heard or not but we already eliminated 3 levels of leadership there
Posted by td01241
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Posted on 3/22/26 at 12:24 pm to
We are going to see “boots” on the ground to some extent no matter what. The Tripoli will be on station very soon and they’re moving 2 other MEUs to the area.

They’re going to be needed to clear out the sand people from all of these very tiny little islands in the area of the straight and the Persian gulf where they’re dug in hiding like tics.

It will not be easy fighting
This post was edited on 3/22/26 at 12:25 pm
Posted by Champagne
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Posted on 3/22/26 at 12:24 pm to
Here is the Truth, Ladies --

You have lived your whole lives watching movies and videos about The Band of Brothers and other heroes who fought, suffered and finally destroyed the Nazi German Regime. The start of WW2 will be One Century ago in exactly 13 and one-half years. That is a long time ago that WW2 started.

Now we have our OWN version of Nazi Germany to deal with - the Islamic Regime in Iran. As Allies, the USA and Israel has kicked this hornet's nest to the ground. There's no running away from it now. It has to be stomped out before it stomps us.

THIS is OUR version of the Greatest Generation's Fight to End Nazi Germany.

Do we have the will, resolve and resiliency to win this war and end this Regime? As long as Trump has the power to keep winning, the answer is "yes".
Posted by Powerman
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Posted on 3/22/26 at 12:25 pm to
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I'm not sure if you have heard or not but we already eliminated 3 levels of leadership there

Some very low IQ people might think this equates to long term success. It does not.
Posted by AlterEd
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Posted on 3/22/26 at 12:25 pm to
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if the regime survives we won’t have gotten much bang for our buck out of this.


I think this will end up being a big if here. Do you remember those protests before it began? They're fixing to be a lot worse. And they're already seeing defections. You'll also have pressure from Saudi Arabia, Qatar, et al to clean their shite up after this. You're also about to see every country who has business in the strait descend on that area.
Posted by DeathByTossDive225
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Posted on 3/22/26 at 12:27 pm to
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We are going to see “boots” on the ground to some extent no matter what. The Tripoli will be on station very soon and they’re moving 2 other MEUs to the area.

They’re going to be needed to clear out the sand people from all of these very tiny little islands in the area of the straight and the Persian gulf where they’re dug in hiding like tics.

It will not be easy fighting

Don’t like the sound of that. Iran is 3x the size of Iraq. Hopefully this is not the case.
Posted by td01241
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Posted on 3/22/26 at 12:29 pm to
That’s just to get full control of the straight and potentially take Kharg island (although I think they would use special forces for that not marines)

If we are gearing up for an actual ground invasion of iran you will know it, trust me. It will take months of logistics and such. Nothing of the sort is happening right now. It would likely take an initial invasion force the size of 350,000-500,000 for Iran. Which is dramatically higher than Iraq and Afghanistan
This post was edited on 3/22/26 at 12:31 pm
Posted by DeathByTossDive225
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Posted on 3/22/26 at 12:30 pm to
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I think this will end up being a big if here. Do you remember those protests before it began? They're fixing to be a lot worse. And they're already seeing defections. You'll also have pressure from Saudi Arabia, Qatar, et al to clean their shite up after this. You're also about to see every country who has business in the strait descend on that area.

I agree this would be the best-case scenario. No guarantees though. Anxious to see how this plays out.
Posted by AlterEd
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Posted on 3/22/26 at 12:35 pm to
Yeah, that would be the best case. But watch, when it happens you're going to see the Reeeee get to crazy levels. People will claim Trump didn't finish the job and that we got ran out of Iran and lost.
Posted by Powerman
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Posted on 3/22/26 at 12:37 pm to
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Now we have our OWN version of Nazi Germany to deal with - the Islamic Regime in Iran.


Please show some of the parallels...because I can assure you they simply don't exist in any meaningful way.

They're "a problem" but they aren't anywhere near the problem that Nazi Germany was.
Posted by Great Plains Drifter
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Posted on 3/22/26 at 12:40 pm to
If the current regime were to ultimately survive then all we’ve ultimately accomplished is to set things back for a future generation to face and deal with later.
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