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Posted on 3/3/26 at 8:34 am
Posted by Keltic Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 3/3/26 at 8:34 am
Son lives in Japan but has property here in La.. He just received an offer to lease his mineral rights. The offer is as follows:

Primary term: 3yrs paid up lease
Per acre amt. $7,500 per acre
Extension: 2 yrs $5,000 per acre
Royalty: 1/5
Bonus paid to land owner:$1,650.
In general, is this a fair offer? Is it better to have the lease paid up?
His property is just an average-sized residential lot.

Any questions I need to ask the landman?

THANKS!

Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
28519 posts
Posted on 3/3/26 at 8:38 am to
What parish?

Also, me personally, if an average sized lot that’s obviously less than an acre, unless he’s hurting for money and needs an extra 1,600 right now, I’d decline signing and have the operator carry me in the pooled unit as a non-working interest partner.

The well will have to payout, maybe 200%, before he’d see a dime. However, after payout, he’d be receiving 8/8th royalty rather than 1/5 or whatever was negotiated.
Posted by Keltic Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2006
21854 posts
Posted on 3/3/26 at 8:53 am to
Caddo Parish, company is Apex Natural Gas LLC. I've heard of people not signing the lease, preferring to participate, as you note, as a non-working interest partner. Those I know the well was never drilled & they got zip. He's not needing the money but living in Japan as a late 30's married man with 2 young kids........

Is the "paid up" lease part good or not so good?
Posted by sgallo3
Lake Charles
Member since Sep 2008
26306 posts
Posted on 3/3/26 at 8:55 am to
If he declines are they gonna just run the the pipe through his neighbor instead?
Posted by castorinho
13623 posts
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Posted on 3/3/26 at 8:59 am to
This isn't a pipeline, baw.
Posted by BabysArmHoldingApple
Lafayette
Member since Dec 2016
1271 posts
Posted on 3/3/26 at 9:01 am to
quote:

Is the "paid up" lease part good or not so good?


IMO paid up is better. Otherwise, operator can not pay in year 2 or 3 ...they lose the lease, but your son misses out on more bonus.

Much (including bonus) depends on how successful you feel the prospect will be. Does your son have any way of getting access to this information and evaluating it? The advantage of a lease is that you get to keep the bonus even if the well is a dry hole or is never drilled...and you get to keep the royalties even if the well never pays out.

The other comments are all correct, I have seen this question many time through the years and I believe that it is generally better for a mineral owner to be a lessor unless they are really want to speculate on the success of the project and have a good idea that the well will payout (and then some). They will also likely get pencil-whipped by the operator as a non-operating working interest owner - that can still happen but it is harder to do with royalties.

Bonus and royalty should be commensurate with what others are getting in the area. For example, if the prevailing rate is 1/4, ask for that.
This post was edited on 3/3/26 at 9:03 am
Posted by Keltic Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2006
21854 posts
Posted on 3/3/26 at 9:04 am to
Thanks!!!
Posted by La Place Mike
West Florida Republic
Member since Jan 2004
31109 posts
Posted on 3/3/26 at 9:09 am to
quote:

if the prevailing rate is 1/4, ask for that.


Hell, ask for 3/8s.
Posted by UptownJoeBrown
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2024
8493 posts
Posted on 3/3/26 at 9:09 am to
Royalty is usually 1/4.

Pennington made his money by buying the oil rights for 1/8 (or less) and selling them for the customary 1/4. He pocketed 1/8 royalties without owning the land.
Posted by ForeverLSU02
Albany
Member since Jun 2007
52538 posts
Posted on 3/3/26 at 9:12 am to
quote:

Royalty is usually 1/4.
Maybe 20-30 years ago. 1/5 and 1/6 is fairly common in Louisiana right now given the current environment
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
28519 posts
Posted on 3/3/26 at 9:13 am to
quote:

Is the "paid up" lease part good or not so good?


Paid up Producers 88 was pretty standard in North Louisiana when I was active up there.

The Bath 6 rental lease form was more South Louisiana activity.
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
28519 posts
Posted on 3/3/26 at 9:15 am to
quote:

1/5 and 1/6 is fairly common in Louisiana right now given the current environment


Last year I advised a friend with acreage in Natchitoches Parish to counter a 1/5 offer with 1/4, and the Lessee accepted it without a fight.
Posted by Strannix
C.S.A.
Member since Dec 2012
53459 posts
Posted on 3/3/26 at 9:19 am to
quote:

The well will have to payout, maybe 200%, before he’d see a dime. However, after payout, he’d be receiving 8/8th royalty rather than 1/5 or whatever was negotiated.


Lol see how that works our for you, those MFers are criminals and own the courts, he will never get a dime
This post was edited on 3/3/26 at 9:20 am
Posted by Strannix
C.S.A.
Member since Dec 2012
53459 posts
Posted on 3/3/26 at 9:22 am to
quote:

Much (including bonus) depends on how successful you feel the prospect will be. Does your son have any way of getting access to this information and evaluating it?


Its Haynesville - is what it is, its not a prospect.
Posted by sta4ever
Member since Aug 2014
17529 posts
Posted on 3/3/26 at 9:22 am to
You need to listen to Daniel Plainviews “Milkshake” example.
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
28519 posts
Posted on 3/3/26 at 9:26 am to
quote:

Lol see how that works our for you, those MFers are criminals and own the courts, he will never get a dime


My own experience, on both sides of that fence, says otherwise.

That said, that’s why I qualified it with what I would personally do. If the guy wants a quick $1,600, go ahead and sign. Just counter the royalty offer with 1/4.
This post was edited on 3/3/26 at 9:29 am
Posted by Mais Lah
Member since Apr 2022
6 posts
Posted on 3/3/26 at 9:26 am to
I would sign the lease. Participating in a well involves liability, a book keeper and a ton of correspondence to sift through for the information that matters to you.

Most companies that are non-operators prefer receiving a ORRI (overriding royalty interest) that involves receiving payments off the production with no actual ownership or liability of the well/minerals.

This would be double hard to manage from overseas.
Posted by Keltic Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2006
21854 posts
Posted on 3/3/26 at 9:27 am to
It's Shreveport.
Posted by Mais Lah
Member since Apr 2022
6 posts
Posted on 3/3/26 at 9:28 am to
quote:

Last year I advised a friend with acreage in Natchitoches Parish to counter a 1/5 offer with 1/4, and the Lessee accepted it without a fight.


This is generally accepted in proven areas.
Posted by BigBinBR
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2023
9903 posts
Posted on 3/3/26 at 9:35 am to
quote:

The other comments are all correct, I have seen this question many time through the years and I believe that it is generally better for a mineral owner to be a lessor unless they are really want to speculate on the success of the project and have a good idea that the well will payout (and then some). They will also likely get pencil-whipped by the operator as a non-operating working interest owner - that can still happen but it is harder to do with royalties.


Yep. And it's not worth the hassle to speculate with a small amount of land (unless you really know what you are doing).
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