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ICE is empowered to arrest anyone (including citizens)
Posted on 1/9/26 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 1/9/26 at 2:35 pm
if they commit an offense in their presence.
Thus, when some fools are playing a "game" of obstruct ICE, ICE agents can arrest them.
I have been seeing and hearing misinfo on this point.
8 USC section 1357 (a)5(A):
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Thus, when some fools are playing a "game" of obstruct ICE, ICE agents can arrest them.
I have been seeing and hearing misinfo on this point.
8 USC section 1357 (a)5(A):
quote:
Any officer or employee of the Service authorized under regulations prescribed by the Attorney General shall have power without warrant-
(5) to make arrests-
(A) for any offense against the United States, if the offense is committed in the officer's or employee's presence, or
(B) for any felony cognizable under the laws of the United States, if the officer or employee has reasonable grounds to believe that the person to be arrested has committed or is committing such a felony,
LINK
Posted on 1/9/26 at 2:36 pm to JimEverett
Ivorybullshitartists says no way.
Posted on 1/9/26 at 2:48 pm to JimEverett
This is the part that is so crazy. These people think ICE officers are rent-a-cops. They have the authority to arrest, detain, and defend themselves when necessary. Yet these protesters feel like they don't have to listen to them and even abuse them.
Posted on 1/9/26 at 2:54 pm to JimEverett
Honestly anyone who thought otherwise was an idiot.
We have seen ice make many arrests outside of their facilities.
I believe that custom and border patrol tactical unit was the one that killed the Uvalde school shooter.
There are many instances of them making arrests. This was simply wishful thinking by the left that was, as is many of their points, totally incorrect.
Whether it be ice, dea, atf, cbp, or any other domestic federal police force, they can i would suspect all make arrests outside of their names area of function.
There may be exceptions to that rule, but to think ice couldn't arrest someone for obstruction because they were a citizen is lunacy.
But that describes the American left these days...
We have seen ice make many arrests outside of their facilities.
I believe that custom and border patrol tactical unit was the one that killed the Uvalde school shooter.
There are many instances of them making arrests. This was simply wishful thinking by the left that was, as is many of their points, totally incorrect.
Whether it be ice, dea, atf, cbp, or any other domestic federal police force, they can i would suspect all make arrests outside of their names area of function.
There may be exceptions to that rule, but to think ice couldn't arrest someone for obstruction because they were a citizen is lunacy.
But that describes the American left these days...
Posted on 1/9/26 at 2:56 pm to JimEverett
You missed a key component..if the officer or employee is performing duties relating to the enforcement of the immigration laws at the time of the arrest and if there is a likelihood of the person escaping before a warrant can be obtained for his arrest.
There, fixed it for you. ICE can and will arrest you for obstructing them while in the performance of their immigration & custom enforcement duties....absolutely a valid point.
There, fixed it for you. ICE can and will arrest you for obstructing them while in the performance of their immigration & custom enforcement duties....absolutely a valid point.
Posted on 1/9/26 at 2:59 pm to Delupe
quote:
There, fixed it for you. ICE can and will arrest you for obstructing them while in the performance of their immigration & custom enforcement duties....absolutely a valid point.
Which is exactly what that bitch was doing yesterday and why they told her to get out of the vehicle.
Posted on 1/9/26 at 2:59 pm to Delupe
Let me test you on this then...
Are the agents enforcers of the law 24hrs a day?
Are the agents enforcers of the law 24hrs a day?
Posted on 1/9/26 at 3:01 pm to Chrome
There's a small percentage of the population that have this mental virus making them believe fantastical, magical things. They are the main character in the story of them being a hero of their peers. They're pumped full of gaslighting from the CIA/Deep State/Globalist Marxists, and there's just not going to be an argument that will penetrate their absolute faith.
They need to be confronted every time they pop their heads up. If they are willing to all gather in one place that would be helpful as we put them away. They're too dangerous and disruptive to be amongst us.
They need to be confronted every time they pop their heads up. If they are willing to all gather in one place that would be helpful as we put them away. They're too dangerous and disruptive to be amongst us.
This post was edited on 1/9/26 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 1/9/26 at 3:18 pm to Delupe
No. That is not what the statute says. I even posted it.
Posted on 1/9/26 at 3:19 pm to JimEverett
if they did, and jailed, maybe some of those paychecks they are getting wont be worth it and this craziness with protesting stupid shite will stop.
Posted on 1/9/26 at 3:21 pm to JimEverett
As sad as this is to say.
We are both schooling an idiot.
Shim will resort to some stupid shite about name calling and we dont know anything.
Shithouse lawyer.
We are both schooling an idiot.
Shim will resort to some stupid shite about name calling and we dont know anything.
Shithouse lawyer.
Posted on 1/9/26 at 3:56 pm to JimEverett
From the uscode.house.gov website
§1357. Powers of immigration officers and employees
(a) Powers without warrant
Any officer or employee of the Service authorized under regulations prescribed by the Attorney General shall have power without warrant-
(1) to interrogate any alien or person believed to be an alien as to his right to be or to remain in the United States;
(2) to arrest any alien who in his presence or view is entering or attempting to enter the United States in violation of any law or regulation made in pursuance of law regulating the admission, exclusion, expulsion, or removal of aliens, or to arrest any alien in the United States, if he has reason to believe that the alien so arrested is in the United States in violation of any such law or regulation and is likely to escape before a warrant can be obtained for his arrest, but the alien arrested shall be taken without unnecessary delay for examination before an officer of the Service having authority to examine aliens as to their right to enter or remain in the United States;
(3) within a reasonable distance from any external boundary of the United States, to board and search for aliens any vessel within the territorial waters of the United States and any railway car, aircraft, conveyance, or vehicle, and within a distance of twenty-five miles from any such external boundary to have access to private lands, but not dwellings, for the purpose of patrolling the border to prevent the illegal entry of aliens into the United States;
(4) to make arrests for felonies which have been committed and which are cognizable under any law of the United States regulating the admission, exclusion, expulsion, or removal of aliens, if he has reason to believe that the person so arrested is guilty of such felony and if there is likelihood of the person escaping before a warrant can be obtained for his arrest, but the person arrested shall be taken without unnecessary delay before the nearest available officer empowered to commit persons charged with offenses against the laws of the United States; and
(5) to make arrests-
(A) for any offense against the United States, if the offense is committed in the officer's or employee's presence, or
(B) for any felony cognizable under the laws of the United States, if the officer or employee has reasonable grounds to believe that the person to be arrested has committed or is committing such a felony,
if the officer or employee is performing duties relating to the enforcement of the immigration laws at the time of the arrest and if there is a likelihood of the person escaping before a warrant can be obtained for his arrest.
Under regulations prescribed by the Attorney General, an officer or employee of the Service may carry a firearm and may execute and serve any order, warrant, subpoena, summons, or other process issued under the authority of the United States. The authority to make arrests under paragraph (5)(B) shall only be effective on and after the date on which the Attorney General publishes final regulations which (i) prescribe the categories of officers and employees of the Service who may use force (including deadly force) and the circumstances under which such force may be used, (ii) establish standards with respect to enforcement activities of the Service, (iii) require that any officer or employee of the Service is not authorized to make arrests under paragraph (5)(B) unless the officer or employee has received certification as having completed a training program which covers such arrests and standards described in clause (ii), and (iv) establish an expedited, internal review process for violations of such standards, which process is consistent with standard agency procedure regarding confidentiality of matters related to internal investigations.
§1357. Powers of immigration officers and employees
(a) Powers without warrant
Any officer or employee of the Service authorized under regulations prescribed by the Attorney General shall have power without warrant-
(1) to interrogate any alien or person believed to be an alien as to his right to be or to remain in the United States;
(2) to arrest any alien who in his presence or view is entering or attempting to enter the United States in violation of any law or regulation made in pursuance of law regulating the admission, exclusion, expulsion, or removal of aliens, or to arrest any alien in the United States, if he has reason to believe that the alien so arrested is in the United States in violation of any such law or regulation and is likely to escape before a warrant can be obtained for his arrest, but the alien arrested shall be taken without unnecessary delay for examination before an officer of the Service having authority to examine aliens as to their right to enter or remain in the United States;
(3) within a reasonable distance from any external boundary of the United States, to board and search for aliens any vessel within the territorial waters of the United States and any railway car, aircraft, conveyance, or vehicle, and within a distance of twenty-five miles from any such external boundary to have access to private lands, but not dwellings, for the purpose of patrolling the border to prevent the illegal entry of aliens into the United States;
(4) to make arrests for felonies which have been committed and which are cognizable under any law of the United States regulating the admission, exclusion, expulsion, or removal of aliens, if he has reason to believe that the person so arrested is guilty of such felony and if there is likelihood of the person escaping before a warrant can be obtained for his arrest, but the person arrested shall be taken without unnecessary delay before the nearest available officer empowered to commit persons charged with offenses against the laws of the United States; and
(5) to make arrests-
(A) for any offense against the United States, if the offense is committed in the officer's or employee's presence, or
(B) for any felony cognizable under the laws of the United States, if the officer or employee has reasonable grounds to believe that the person to be arrested has committed or is committing such a felony,
if the officer or employee is performing duties relating to the enforcement of the immigration laws at the time of the arrest and if there is a likelihood of the person escaping before a warrant can be obtained for his arrest.
Under regulations prescribed by the Attorney General, an officer or employee of the Service may carry a firearm and may execute and serve any order, warrant, subpoena, summons, or other process issued under the authority of the United States. The authority to make arrests under paragraph (5)(B) shall only be effective on and after the date on which the Attorney General publishes final regulations which (i) prescribe the categories of officers and employees of the Service who may use force (including deadly force) and the circumstances under which such force may be used, (ii) establish standards with respect to enforcement activities of the Service, (iii) require that any officer or employee of the Service is not authorized to make arrests under paragraph (5)(B) unless the officer or employee has received certification as having completed a training program which covers such arrests and standards described in clause (ii), and (iv) establish an expedited, internal review process for violations of such standards, which process is consistent with standard agency procedure regarding confidentiality of matters related to internal investigations.
Posted on 1/9/26 at 4:16 pm to Delupe
In this case it really does not matter, because all the elements in your bolded part are there. But to be clear, the part you bolded only applies to 5B, not 5A.
Posted on 1/9/26 at 4:18 pm to Delupe
I can tell you with 100% certainty that thru my training AND experience that THEY have THE legal right to do EXACTLY what they did.
You are wrong and that is all. Its ok. Take the L
You are wrong and that is all. Its ok. Take the L
Posted on 1/9/26 at 4:27 pm to JimEverett
The "or" at the end of 5A makes it a continuation to 5B. The highlighted portion pertains to 5A & 5B. Purpose was not a "gotcha" moment. Just wanted to emphasize that jurisdictional and functional limitations exist regarding an ICE agent's authority to interrogate, arrest, or detain, US citizens.
Posted on 1/9/26 at 4:30 pm to Delupe
You are wrong.
Go do what that stupid bitch did and report back when you get out jail. Get a lawyer first.
There will be your final answer.
ETA: Now is the time to go! They have 1k more agents heading there! Makes your odds better for confirmation! LOL!!!!
Go do what that stupid bitch did and report back when you get out jail. Get a lawyer first.
There will be your final answer.
ETA: Now is the time to go! They have 1k more agents heading there! Makes your odds better for confirmation! LOL!!!!
This post was edited on 1/9/26 at 4:37 pm
Posted on 1/9/26 at 4:37 pm to IndianPower
Agree with you 100%...the deceased individual was obstructing an ICE agent in the performance of his official duties. My point was that the USC covering ICE duties and responsibilities have jurisdictional and functional caveats that were not highlighted when JIM cherry-picked publishing a portion of the code. Honestly, no LEO needs to be harassed, disregarded, or disrespected when performing their official duties...people who do this are jerks.
Posted on 1/9/26 at 5:03 pm to JimEverett
ICE is empowered to arrest anyone (including citizens) relating to FEDERAL offenses. ICE has ZERO power regarding state offenses, correct?
Did I miss something, Jim?
Did I miss something, Jim?
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