Constellation Class Frigate Program Cancelled By Navy Secretary

Not gonna lie, the only thing that really matters is how many submarines we have and how good they are. Attack subs are going to win the next war.

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Wouldn’t a single hypersonic missile with a battlefield nuke take that ship out? Maybe I’m ignorant but this seems obvious unless there is some top secret weapon which can kill the missiles.

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We already have missiles built for BMD and they can shoot down hypersonics. The idea of anyone launching even a tactical nuke is insane though. That would elicit a nuclear response.

Also, the Constellation’s SPY-6 suite was designed with countering hypersonic threats in mind

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Drones and robot soldiers are going to win the next war.

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100% disagree.

You still need control of the sea to deliver those drones and robot soldiers to the places where they will do the most good. You need a navy to do that and the most effective way to get opposing ships out of your way to achieve that aim is to sink them. It's difficult to destroy a naval vessel if the enemy can't see or hear you: hence the submarine.

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but the navy decided they wanted to make changes to 75% of the ship.

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that’s part of the overrun grift that permeates the Pentagon budget

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I wonder if our relationship with Canada changes up the want to have our ships built so close to their border.

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We have no issues with Canada outside of the idiotic "25 lbs of fentanyl" fake problem that caused this perception.

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This is exactly why SECWAR is considering combining marines into the army and relegating the Navy strictly to submarines, carriers, and transport ships to haul the army’s equipment.

We have to completely reshape how we fight to adapt to the current century. Aside from the nuclear triad, every thing should directly contribute to supporting the army, or be phased out.

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We’re absolutely cooked against China with this line of thinking

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Faster delivery, cost burdens borne by the company until delivery would ensure this, and alleviate this nonsense of delays to bump up costs.

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Trump basically did this to Boeing in first term on AF1 replacement and everyone lost their fricking minds.

Yup. DoW's high-cost procurement programs are corrupt as hell, and have been for a long time (since the genesis of the F-35 program at a minimum).

There's a price tag charged to the government attached to any delay in the program. Requirements are used by the companies awarded the contracts (L3 Harris, Northrop Grumman, Boeing, etc.) as negotiation points rather than goals after they are in the contract.

"If we want to do this as a requirement, we will have to first do 'xyz' which is a schedule and cost impact". This is the type of stuff that takes place throughout the life of the procurement process, and it doesn't end after delivery of the product either.

Rather than consulting on the needs vs. prerequisites beforehand, it is akin to walking through the register aisle filled with candy before you check out at Walmart.

Then you get into the test and evaluation process before delivery, and REALLY have a field day. If something doesn't work appropriately and impacts the schedule, there is relatively little (or in some cases ZERO) penalty for the contractors delivering something that doesn't work as advertised and causes schedule and cost impediments.

It's a whole bunch of "Good Idea Fairy" bullshite that puts no emphasis on deadlines and quality product development/delivery. It's exactly why the F-35 constantly has avionics issues, and that the KC-46 almost got shitcanned but was saved after its refueling boom being nearly non-airworthy in the test & evaluation process.

The whole process can be fixed by holding contract companies accountable to the requirements and timelines determined in the contract. I would imagine there is red tape currently barring that, though. No doubt to line pockets somewhere...

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This is exactly why SECWAR is considering combining marines into the army and relegating the Navy strictly to submarines, carriers, and transport ships to haul the army’s equipment.

We have to completely reshape how we fight to adapt to the current century. Aside from the nuclear triad, every thing should directly contribute to supporting the army, or be phased out.

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This is exactly the line of thinking that the Japanese had in WW2. The army merely wanted the navy to ferry them around to do the work. The navy has to be strong to react to an enemy force. Without naval superiority supply ships are dead in the water.