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The Church did not replace Israel in prophecy

Posted on 10/8/25 at 3:35 pm
Posted by Goombaw
Kentucky
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 10/8/25 at 3:35 pm
Replacement or covenant theology is heresy. The MAGA movement has to steer clear of it or it will not last. I don’t agree with everything Israel does, and in fact I think there is a lot of wickedness among American Jews that promote pornography, LGBT, and liberalism. That doesn’t change the fact that God will deal with them again just as He has since Abraham.

Matthew 13 talks about a man finding a treasure in a field and selling all to buy the field. That’s a description of God and the nation of Israel. The next verses talk about a merchant finding a pearl of great price. That’s a description of Christ and the church. It’s two different relationships.

If Jews get saved today, they must come through the blood of Jesus and they become part of the church. But nationally, racially, and spiritually, one day they will finally acknowledge Christ and pray the prayer in Isaiah 53:4 “Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

I love seeing America swing back to the right is a lot of ways, but Candace Owens, Tucker, and a lot of these guys are wrong on Israel and it’ll cost America if we aren’t careful.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
62150 posts
Posted on 10/8/25 at 3:37 pm to
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Replacement or covenant theology is heresy.


Nope. It was the orthodox belief in Christianity for 2000 years until the early 20th century.
Posted by 21blackjack
Member since Oct 2025
1099 posts
Posted on 10/8/25 at 3:38 pm to
Candace and Tucker are acting like nutjobs. No, they are not dumb. They should focus there attention on something productive.
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
41447 posts
Posted on 10/8/25 at 3:39 pm to
Do you even Paul or Romans 9- bro?
Posted by Goombaw
Kentucky
Member since Jan 2013
6100 posts
Posted on 10/8/25 at 3:40 pm to
“Orthodox” because the Catholic Church wanted the Holy city to be Rome and not Jerusalem, despite the Bible explicitly stating it’s Jerusalem multiple times.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
62150 posts
Posted on 10/8/25 at 3:41 pm to
Wrong again.
Posted by AtlantaLSUfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2009
26565 posts
Posted on 10/8/25 at 3:41 pm to
Well said. I think Israel is way worse than we realize, they own our politicians and entertainment industry. I think Israel calls in hits on anyone who doesn’t dance for them.

But you quoted the Bible in your stance, so I’m giving your post an upvote.
This post was edited on 10/8/25 at 5:40 pm
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
41447 posts
Posted on 10/8/25 at 3:42 pm to
It would not be through the line of Abraham but through the tribes of Isaac and Joseph.
Posted by LSUbest
Coastal Plain
Member since Aug 2007
14961 posts
Posted on 10/8/25 at 3:43 pm to
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Covenentalists call these three covenants "theological" because, though not explicitly presented as such in the Bible


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As a framework for Biblical interpretation, covenant theology stands in contrast to dispensationalism in regard to the relationship between the Old Covenant and the New Covenant


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But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.


Learn as Paul did, from the holly spirit, not from man.
Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
46597 posts
Posted on 10/8/25 at 3:43 pm to
Did the State of Israel replace Israel?
Posted by Clyde Tipton
Planet Earth
Member since Dec 2007
40501 posts
Posted on 10/8/25 at 3:44 pm to
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God will deal with them again just as He has since Abraham


As I interpret the book of Genesis, God's covenant with Abraham is between them.

I never felt obligated to be loyal to the Jews because of their covenant with God, which I fully acknowledge.

In other words, they have their deal with God, and I have my own personal separate deal with God. The two deals are intertwined.

Posted by Goombaw
Kentucky
Member since Jan 2013
6100 posts
Posted on 10/8/25 at 3:45 pm to
Nothing in Romans 9 says anything about the church replacing Israel in prophecy, and none of Paul’s other writings do either.
Posted by The Baker
This is fine.
Member since Dec 2011
18648 posts
Posted on 10/8/25 at 3:46 pm to
The Jewish god chose the jews…

I for one am shocked
Posted by mudshuvl05
Member since Nov 2023
2800 posts
Posted on 10/8/25 at 3:46 pm to
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“Orthodox” because the Catholic Church wanted the Holy city to be Rome and not Jerusalem, despite the Bible explicitly stating it’s Jerusalem multiple times.
Another know-nothing dispensationalist.

WE are Israel. Not Netanyahu, not mossad, not anyone else but Christians.

The heresy is your 19th century one, and it has done wonders to help expedite the destruction of western civilization and western Christianity as a whole.

Christ first, America first.
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
41447 posts
Posted on 10/8/25 at 3:48 pm to
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Nothing in Romans 9 says anything about the church replacing Israel in prophecy, and none of Paul’s other writings do either.


Nothing about the covenant with Abraham has anything to do with Christ.

So now what do you want to do?

ETA read the book of Romans starting chapter 9 and then get back with me.
This post was edited on 10/8/25 at 3:49 pm
Posted by Goombaw
Kentucky
Member since Jan 2013
6100 posts
Posted on 10/8/25 at 3:48 pm to
Nationally, racially, and spiritually, the nation of Israel exists. God has preserved them supernaturally according to His will.

Whether you want to agree with everything they do or not is up to you, but I will always support their right to exist and defend themselves.
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
41447 posts
Posted on 10/8/25 at 3:49 pm to
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God has preserved them


Which ones? The Jews of Abraham or Isaac?
Posted by HurricaneTiger
Coral Gables, FL
Member since Jan 2014
3130 posts
Posted on 10/8/25 at 3:50 pm to
If I call my house Israel, and myself a Jew, will you support my sacred land as well?
Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
46597 posts
Posted on 10/8/25 at 3:50 pm to
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As I interpret the book of Genesis, God's covenant with Abraham is between them.

I never felt obligated to be loyal to the Jews because of their covenant with God, which I fully acknowledge.

In other words, they have their deal with God, and I have my own personal separate deal with God. The two deals are intertwined.



Christ is the New Covenant
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
41447 posts
Posted on 10/8/25 at 3:51 pm to
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Whether you want to agree with everything they do or not is up to you, but I will always support their right to exist and defend themselves.


I agree everyone has a right to exist. But the covenant of the Old Testament ended with Jesus of Nazareth being crucified and opening up a new covenant upon the world.
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