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The Interaction between Play Calling and OL Fundamentals?
Posted on 10/5/25 at 1:15 am
Posted on 10/5/25 at 1:15 am
If one did a cursory look at tRant, the film reviewers, press, etc, there are three topics the dominate discussion: 1) poor pay of Nuss, 2) play calling, and 3) bad OL play.
In my football lifetime, I can only recall two seasons where we (fans) were happy with the play calling ('07 w/ Crowton and obviously '19). Of course there have been an isolated play here-n-there where we saw a great play, e.g., counter-toss to Keiland vs UTenn in '06. But we typically don't like our OCs.
The film reviews are fascinating (really like Richard Dickson on Hannycast; he does not hold back) especially when they point out the small things. Most concerning is just how poor our OL fundamentals are and how Nuss is missing throws.
So if you're in the OC's seat, what would you do? How much can you scheme around an OL that is just so inept?
Take the 2-Pt Attempt vs OM, we had just scored on a run, the play has OM leaning to our right, it wasn't some atrocious play call. It was a well-designed play. It didn't call for heroic blocks, and poof - the LT and Sharp totally whiff and that's that.
In my football lifetime, I can only recall two seasons where we (fans) were happy with the play calling ('07 w/ Crowton and obviously '19). Of course there have been an isolated play here-n-there where we saw a great play, e.g., counter-toss to Keiland vs UTenn in '06. But we typically don't like our OCs.
The film reviews are fascinating (really like Richard Dickson on Hannycast; he does not hold back) especially when they point out the small things. Most concerning is just how poor our OL fundamentals are and how Nuss is missing throws.
So if you're in the OC's seat, what would you do? How much can you scheme around an OL that is just so inept?
Take the 2-Pt Attempt vs OM, we had just scored on a run, the play has OM leaning to our right, it wasn't some atrocious play call. It was a well-designed play. It didn't call for heroic blocks, and poof - the LT and Sharp totally whiff and that's that.
This post was edited on 10/5/25 at 1:23 am
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Posted on 10/5/25 at 7:41 am to AlwysATgr
Common sense football acumen is scary to many here. It's easier for them to find a scapegoat than to understand the instracisies of play calling. I notice your post got no visitors so far but me.
Posted on 10/5/25 at 8:01 am to AlwysATgr
The OC has to know his personnel. You can have the best play design in the world but if your guys can’t play execute it then it is by default a bad play design.
Either Sloan has a disconnect to what this OL can do or these guys absolutely suck once the lights come on in a game.
Those film reviews by ex players are so damning on the OL and Brad Davis. These guys can’t handle a twist by a SE La DL.
You have 4 star guys that can’t move anyone and get fooled by the most standard move.
Either Sloan has a disconnect to what this OL can do or these guys absolutely suck once the lights come on in a game.
Those film reviews by ex players are so damning on the OL and Brad Davis. These guys can’t handle a twist by a SE La DL.
You have 4 star guys that can’t move anyone and get fooled by the most standard move.
Posted on 10/5/25 at 8:43 am to AlwysATgr
Oh sure. Everything will be fine. We’ll win every game by only scoring 20 points, or less. WAKE UP
Posted on 10/5/25 at 8:49 am to how333
O and Ensminger made fools of the geniuses here in 2019. Don't know if BK and Sloan will do the same but if they do wonder how the geniuses here will react.
Posted on 10/5/25 at 9:02 am to AlwysATgr
The whiffs by our Olinemen are so bad that they are puzzling. It makes play calling and execution difficult.
No easy answers to your question. The OC and head coach have to adjust quicker than what we saw against Ole Miss. They didn't expect to see a 3 man front and didn't adjust. We have to include downfield passing in any answer. If Nuss can't make those throws, we are screwed. The slants have worked, but we don't use them enough. This team needs our passing game to open up the running game; not the other way around. A change is needed on run scheme. We can't execute the run scheme we have. Off-guard zone read does not work on 2nd and long. Zone read doesn't work if you can't run. Changing a scheme is difficult mid-season. Our best hope is for Nuss to be able to throw with zip and to challenge with the deep ball to open up the run game.
No easy answers to your question. The OC and head coach have to adjust quicker than what we saw against Ole Miss. They didn't expect to see a 3 man front and didn't adjust. We have to include downfield passing in any answer. If Nuss can't make those throws, we are screwed. The slants have worked, but we don't use them enough. This team needs our passing game to open up the running game; not the other way around. A change is needed on run scheme. We can't execute the run scheme we have. Off-guard zone read does not work on 2nd and long. Zone read doesn't work if you can't run. Changing a scheme is difficult mid-season. Our best hope is for Nuss to be able to throw with zip and to challenge with the deep ball to open up the run game.
Posted on 10/5/25 at 9:22 am to Kikicaca
Ens and Brady along with Joe is what made 19 so great. O gets credit for staying out of the way. BK doesn't have that luxury with Sloan and Nuss.
Posted on 10/5/25 at 9:26 am to AlwysATgr
The most glaring issue for the sky is falling crowd is swallowing the off-season hype, hook line & sinker.
They continue to bring up not being able to run the ball last season. However they were expecting a new O-line that had no game experience as a unit to be successful.
I'm not saying the offense, staff or players shouldn't be held accountable. The melt is sad as the O-line was a glaring issue before camp. Staff has to get it right but it's apparently a monumental task for them.
LSU needs their current staff to step up or out no question. Who those individuals are is debatable. CBK is here to stay? When will LSU be a consistent contender year 5 year 6 IDK maybe never with CBK. I want to believe he will get it done.
Keep your LSU hat on.
They continue to bring up not being able to run the ball last season. However they were expecting a new O-line that had no game experience as a unit to be successful.
I'm not saying the offense, staff or players shouldn't be held accountable. The melt is sad as the O-line was a glaring issue before camp. Staff has to get it right but it's apparently a monumental task for them.
LSU needs their current staff to step up or out no question. Who those individuals are is debatable. CBK is here to stay? When will LSU be a consistent contender year 5 year 6 IDK maybe never with CBK. I want to believe he will get it done.
Keep your LSU hat on.
Posted on 10/5/25 at 9:54 am to wrongRob
This is a commendable post!
Posted on 10/5/25 at 10:18 am to Kikicaca
That's a BOLD statement! You conveniently left Joe Brady out of the conversation who not only helped with play-calling but also helped with how the WR's ran their routes, etc.
How has this offense looked since Denbrock left? With BK being an offensive-minded guy that can handle play-calling, why has the offense taken a step back? Why are so many things broken on offense?
Play-calling is just one issue, there are multiple. Evaluation of OL talent is bad (Davis over Curne), OL constant confusion with zone-blocking, RB's lack of vision, TE's inability to block, Green constantly running to near the defender as opposed to finding open space and sitting in the zone, etc. Also, why have so many times we've had multiple WR's in the same are and line of sight for the QB? It has led to confusion on who the ball was going to. This offense is a mess and it's a wonder they had camp at all because it doesn't show.
How has this offense looked since Denbrock left? With BK being an offensive-minded guy that can handle play-calling, why has the offense taken a step back? Why are so many things broken on offense?
Play-calling is just one issue, there are multiple. Evaluation of OL talent is bad (Davis over Curne), OL constant confusion with zone-blocking, RB's lack of vision, TE's inability to block, Green constantly running to near the defender as opposed to finding open space and sitting in the zone, etc. Also, why have so many times we've had multiple WR's in the same are and line of sight for the QB? It has led to confusion on who the ball was going to. This offense is a mess and it's a wonder they had camp at all because it doesn't show.
Posted on 10/5/25 at 10:21 am to ellis197575
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That's a BOLD statement! You conveniently left Joe Brady out of the conversation who not only helped with play-calling but also helped with how the WR's ran their routes, etc.
How has this offense looked since Denbrock left? With BK being an offensive-minded guy that can handle play-calling, why has the offense taken a step back? Why are so many things broken on offense?
Play-calling is just one issue, there are multiple. Evaluation of OL talent is bad (Davis over Curne), OL constant confusion with zone-blocking, RB's lack of vision, TE's inability to block, Green constantly running to near the defender as opposed to finding open space and sitting in the zone, etc. Also, why have so many times we've had multiple WR's in the same are and line of sight for the QB? It has led to confusion on who the ball was going to. This offense is a mess and it's a wonder they had camp at all because it doesn't show.
Where did you play and coach in the past?
Posted on 10/5/25 at 12:55 pm to KWL85
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KWL85
I think you've captured well the dilemma we're in.
Posted on 10/6/25 at 6:47 pm to Kikicaca
Meh...I'm not sure that really matters.
Breiden Fehoko played for LSU and people on the rant still said he didn't know what he was talking about.
Everything I mentioned has been there in-game for ALL to witness.
Breiden Fehoko played for LSU and people on the rant still said he didn't know what he was talking about.
Everything I mentioned has been there in-game for ALL to witness.
Posted on 10/6/25 at 7:00 pm to CAT
If Sloan and Davis and BK didn't 90% of their time last week and this week teaching the OLine how and who to block on pass and run plays, then expect more of the same from our QB and RB. These guys are weak and lost as what to do. They quite often can't or even try to block the guy standing in front of them....they are actually looking around for something to do, and wind up doing nothing.
Posted on 10/6/25 at 7:01 pm to QB
you know nothing.Posted on 10/6/25 at 7:03 pm to ellis197575
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Everything I mentioned has been there in-game for ALL to witness.
Only thing I will say is if your QB, that would be Nuss, is under performing the whole offense will look bad. Bet you a million dollars Sloan wanted to replace Nuss with MVB against Ole Miss. Why wasn't he used against Ole Miss is anyones guess. My guess is MVB wasn't yet ready to run the whole playbook or BK wanted to see if Nuss would catch fire. Interesting week for BK.
Posted on 10/6/25 at 7:11 pm to AlwysATgr
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So if you're in the OC's seat, what would you do? How much can you scheme around an OL that is just so inept?
This is our Head Coaches job. It’s his job to ensure that all the pieces are put in the proper place and function well together.
So…… there’s your problem right there. Thank you.
Posted on 10/6/25 at 7:11 pm to KWL85
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The OC and head coach have to adjust quicker than what we saw against Ole Miss. They didn't expect to see a 3 man front and didn't adjust.
Most plays don’t start in a 3 man front and I am sure they called plays they thought would work. Nuss needs to understand the coverage. He is hurt and not making good decisions.
Last week KY dropped into 8 coverage against GA… guess what the GA QB did???? Took off for 8 yds.
Posted on 10/6/25 at 7:16 pm to QB
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If Sloan and Davis and BK didn't 90% of their time last week and this week teaching the OLine how and who to block on pass and run plays
Sloan can’t do everything and that isn’t his job. He has to game plan and work with QBs. He can’t also coach all the other the other position groups.
Posted on 10/6/25 at 9:54 pm to Tammany Tom
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This is our Head Coaches job. It’s his job to ensure that all the pieces are put in the proper place and function well together.
While I agree it's ultimately BK's responsibility, I doubt there's any realistic expectation that all the pieces will fit perfectly together. And it's there that a HC expects an OC to work around the shortcomings, the inexperience, misfits, etc.
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