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Does LSU need to run less RPO?
Posted on 10/1/25 at 5:22 pm
Posted on 10/1/25 at 5:22 pm
Seems like switching to more called runs and play actions is exactly what this OL needs right now. Simplify the assignments so they can do less thinking and execute a single thing. Even if they suck at times, at least they'll suck at full speed.
That especially goes on outside zones (37% of our running game) and duos (22%) - both of which we run at a higher percentage than average among college teams. When our guys are needing to get to the 2nd level, it puts them in a really tough spot to have to wait a half count before tracking down LBs with SEC speed. We need our RPO calls to be almost exclusively on inside zones, where the OL is put in a significantly less vulnerable position.
Seems clear that we just don't like Mubenga and Thompson's athletic ability enough to run any power, but I think it needs to at least be lightly sprinkled in. I believe running counter is less effective without running power, given that a LB can automatically know we're running a counter if he sees a guard pull, versus if we ran at least a little power, then he'd have to show some respect to the A gap. That's just my opinion, though - seems like an easy thing to pick up in film if I were a defender.
If we can start simplifying this stuff, we should be able to start playing with much more tempo like BK claims he wants us to do.
Edit: For those who don't understand that you don't need a running QB for RPOs, please watch this video breaking down the RPO. You'll notice guys like Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers running RPOs - they are certainly not runners.
That especially goes on outside zones (37% of our running game) and duos (22%) - both of which we run at a higher percentage than average among college teams. When our guys are needing to get to the 2nd level, it puts them in a really tough spot to have to wait a half count before tracking down LBs with SEC speed. We need our RPO calls to be almost exclusively on inside zones, where the OL is put in a significantly less vulnerable position.
Seems clear that we just don't like Mubenga and Thompson's athletic ability enough to run any power, but I think it needs to at least be lightly sprinkled in. I believe running counter is less effective without running power, given that a LB can automatically know we're running a counter if he sees a guard pull, versus if we ran at least a little power, then he'd have to show some respect to the A gap. That's just my opinion, though - seems like an easy thing to pick up in film if I were a defender.
If we can start simplifying this stuff, we should be able to start playing with much more tempo like BK claims he wants us to do.
Edit: For those who don't understand that you don't need a running QB for RPOs, please watch this video breaking down the RPO. You'll notice guys like Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers running RPOs - they are certainly not runners.
This post was edited on 10/2/25 at 9:14 am
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Posted on 10/1/25 at 5:24 pm to iamandykeim
Don't know, but, we need to line up in the power I and blast ahead with a fullback and come what may. Toss dive, whatever. We aren't really running a true RPO because nobody is fooled that Nuss is gonna Run.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 5:28 pm to iamandykeim
Not reading all of that, but yes. No idea why we run RPO with a QB who is not going to ever pull the ball. The way to help your struggling oline without the RPO is quick passes and screens
Posted on 10/1/25 at 5:39 pm to Theodore Links Watch
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No idea why we run RPO with a QB who is not going to ever pull the ball.
You don't know the difference between RPO and Read Option, do you?
Posted on 10/1/25 at 5:41 pm to mdomingue
This board will always struggle with the difference between an RPO and the read option
Posted on 10/1/25 at 5:42 pm to mdomingue
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You don't know the difference between RPO and Read Option, do you?
Is the QB running the ball also not an option at times?
Posted on 10/1/25 at 5:44 pm to canyon
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We aren't really running a true RPO because nobody is fooled that Nuss is gonna Run.
you do not even know what a RPO is!
HFS! we have went over this over and over and over!
HERE educate yourself!
The Qb DOES NOT need to run in an RPO! That is an option in the ZONE READ or a power read(which we do not run anyway) just using for example, etc.
You are confusing a zone read with a RPO.
ZONE READS are not RPOs
LINK
Posted on 10/1/25 at 5:45 pm to Theodore Links Watch
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You don't know the difference between RPO and Read Option, do you?
Is the QB running the ball also not an option at times?
In an RPO the option is to hand the ball off or pass. If a QB runs, it is basically a scramble and not an integral part of the RPO. Which is why you have QBs who will never pull the ball and run successfully execute the RPO.
If you run a read option, then you need a running QB.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 5:46 pm to Theodore Links Watch
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Is the QB running the ball also not an option at times?
no, the options in a basic vertical RPO is handoff or pass
the Qb scrambling after is not what the RPO is.
now the QB does have the option to handoff or run in a zone read. see my link above.
This post was edited on 10/1/25 at 6:00 pm
Posted on 10/1/25 at 5:48 pm to Fat Bastard
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no, the options in a RPO is handoff or pass
Excuse me, Mr. Fat, but there are triple option RPOs where QB runs are an option
Posted on 10/1/25 at 5:50 pm to iamandykeim
Hester and Flynn did a nice piece on this the other day. The offense simply isn’t mixing up scheme enough in the run game to keep the defense honest.
On the RPO side, it would probably be helpful to just simplify things, let the O-line get upfield and put a hat on a hat without concern for getting an ineligible downfield call. OL is doing a lot wrong right now, so I think simplifying what you’re asking them to do could only help.
On the RPO side, it would probably be helpful to just simplify things, let the O-line get upfield and put a hat on a hat without concern for getting an ineligible downfield call. OL is doing a lot wrong right now, so I think simplifying what you’re asking them to do could only help.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 5:52 pm to Dr Fentons Grandson
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Excuse me, Mr. Fat, but there are triple option RPOs where QB runs are an option
yes, and I covered that as we ran horizontal RPOS with JD5
those were special ones denbrock ran.
basic vertical RPOS are not meant for the Qb to run. period.
LINK
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denbrock ran normal zone reads/read options. however he ran some 3 option horizontal RPO (call it his triple option if we wish) and what i think is making it confusing for many posters is how the reads went. so instead of a basic vertical RPO, read the box/key defender, hand off or throw. denbrock's horizontal 3 option RPO went something like a zone read for starters. JD5 would read the DE, ih he crashes then he pulls and makes the next read as he sprints to the the edge. i believe the last option was then run to the spot vacated by the crashing DE(like in the zone read) or he threw to mason taylor on a horizontal route. if mason was covered he kept it and ran. it was deadly and very effective but that was basically a RUN-PASS-RUN option. i think everyone seeing that last year has confused the heck out of some posters
Posted on 10/1/25 at 5:53 pm to GeauxldMember
quote:that’s exactly what prompted my research here actually lol. Hester’s numbers led me to do a deep dive on what the averages are.
Hester and Flynn did a nice piece on this the other day.
Unfortunately, this thread has been hijacked by “RPO vs Read Option”
This post was edited on 10/1/25 at 6:17 pm
Posted on 10/1/25 at 5:57 pm to GeauxldMember
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let the O-line get upfield and put a hat on a hat without concern for getting an ineligible downfield call. OL is doing a lot wrong right now, so I think simplifying what you’re asking them to do could only help.
i mean they are allowed 3 yards,.
let them see if they can blow a d lineman 3 yards off the ball. I am not even sure we are good enough to do that anyway. u have to run block anyway for a vertical RPO. line always assumes it is a run. another reason why read and play has to happen fast.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 6:00 pm to Fat Bastard
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yes, and I covered that as we ran horizontal RPOS with JD5
Sure, but to imply that RPOs never allow for a QB run option is a bit misleading no? Denbrock didn't invent the RPO triple option, other teams use them as well. As a Doctor, I try not to mislead people publicly as that would be a violation of HIPAA
Posted on 10/2/25 at 2:15 am to Fat Bastard
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we have went
Maybe sit this one out.
Dumbass
Posted on 10/2/25 at 3:07 am to Fat Bastard
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quote:
We aren't really running a true RPO because nobody is fooled that Nuss is gonna Run.
you do not even know what a RPO is!
HFS! we have went over this over and over and over!
HERE educate yourself!
The Qb DOES NOT need to run in an RPO! That is an option in the ZONE READ or a power read(which we do not run anyway) just using for example, etc.
You are confusing a zone read with a RPO.
ZONE READS are not RPOs
LINK
Nor does he (the OP) know what the "Power I" is.
Posted on 10/2/25 at 4:32 am to Fat Bastard
According to internet definitions, the RPO is a broad generic term used for many run,pass options including the option where the qb does run . There are subsets of the RPO that are described such as a read option but technically, someone is not wrong in using the term RPO to describe a qb run option.
This post was edited on 10/2/25 at 4:39 am
Posted on 10/2/25 at 5:24 am to kew48
There is no such thing as an “RPO Triple Option”….its just “Triple Option”. But instead of a backward pitch it’s a throw forward on a flat route
The only RPO where the QB runs is where he is the primary run threat…aka no handoff he’s catching the snap and running himself. Ex: QB Power to the right paired with a glance route to the right. QB reads the playside LB. If he comes up to fill pull up and throw the glance behind, if he drops keep running
The only RPO where the QB runs is where he is the primary run threat…aka no handoff he’s catching the snap and running himself. Ex: QB Power to the right paired with a glance route to the right. QB reads the playside LB. If he comes up to fill pull up and throw the glance behind, if he drops keep running
Posted on 10/2/25 at 6:41 am to Theodore Links Watch
That's not the read option. But the read option works best when the QB is not afraid to tuck and run.
Problem with both is the pressure on the O line and blocking. O line is in a pass blocking mode most of the time so they are blocking up high as well as not getting a push forward. So instead of surging forward on run plays like Miles' teams did, O lines are essentially trying to move defensive linemen to the side because their stance is too high.
Problem with both is the pressure on the O line and blocking. O line is in a pass blocking mode most of the time so they are blocking up high as well as not getting a push forward. So instead of surging forward on run plays like Miles' teams did, O lines are essentially trying to move defensive linemen to the side because their stance is too high.
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