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A Call to Christian Unity

Posted on 9/1/25 at 12:05 pm
Posted by Narax
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Posted on 9/1/25 at 12:05 pm
Romans 15:4-7
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For whatever was written in former days was written for our instruction, that through endurance and through the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.
May the God of endurance and encouragement grant you to live in such harmony with one another, in accord with Christ Jesus,
that together you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Therefore welcome one another as Christ has welcomed you, for the glory of God.

God did not make salvation a mystery, no, Christ made it clear as day
John 3:16
quote:

For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

John 14:6
quote:

Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

While Christianity may have many branches, there is only one Vine, which is Christ.
John 15:5
quote:

“I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing.

What Christianity is has been made clear by early church councils, it is summed in the Nicene Creed
quote:

I believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.

I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the Only Begotten Son of God,
born of the Father before all ages.
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father;
through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate,
he suffered death and was buried,
and rose again on the third day
in accordance with the Scriptures.
He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead
and his kingdom will have no end.

I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified,
who has spoken through the prophets.

I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.
I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins
and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead
and the life of the world to come. Amen.


This Creed is present on web pages and Churches of all types of Christianity:
United States Conference of Catholic Bishops
Christian Reformed Church
The Church of England
Anglican Communion
University of Notre Dame
Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America
Orthodox Church in America
Calvary Chapel
The Episcopal Church
Lutheran Churches
Baptist Churches
Nondenominational Churches
Presbyterian Churches
Assemblies of God Churches
Syriac orthodox
Coptic
Nestorian, and many many more, in short the body of Christ.

Now some individuals may be non Christians and attend each church, often in hope to overturn and corrupt those churches, much how the UMC has lesbian Bishops who openly worship a female "god".
But there are still many many Christians in the UMC, just how a bad Pope would not invalidate a Billion Catholic Christians.

Why?
Because God is the arbiter of who is saved and who is not.

And he made salvation clear as day, it requires faith to follow as Paul mentions, but the path was laid before us by Christ himself.

What about those things we see only
1 Corinthians 13:12
quote:

For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

Yes, that is the gift of theology, and what a wonderful gift it is, to delve deeply and to meditate on the word of God, to delve into the things he has not made clear, things that are not critical to salvation.

But to keep in mind we are only Human
1 Corinthians 1:22-26
quote:

Jews demand signs and Greeks search for wisdom,
but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles,
but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.
For the foolishness of God is wiser than man’s wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man’s strength.

If you and I disagree about God, one or both of us is wrong.

So for these things that are not yet clear, yet are not fundamental to salvation, let us approach each other in humility and love.

Let us also remember that there are wolves among us who are Muslim, and Atheist, and of every other religion, pretending to be Christian (Like said Methodist Bishop), who want nothing more than to to stir up strife, and have us hate each other, to show the world that Christians don't know salvation, that they don't love one another.

So to my Catholic, Protestant, and Orthodox (and other) Brothers and Sisters, I leave you with.
John 13:34-35
quote:

“A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”
This post was edited on 9/1/25 at 12:06 pm
Posted by GRTiger
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Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 9/1/25 at 12:06 pm to
I'm in. And you're a good poster by the way.
Posted by SouthernHog
Arkansas
Member since Jul 2016
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Posted on 9/1/25 at 12:10 pm to
I'm in. Ephesians 6;12. Describes not be influenced by this current world.
Posted by SallysHuman
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Posted on 9/1/25 at 12:10 pm to
Amen!

I'm in- I love all you brothers and sisters in Christ, no matter what "flavor" any of us are.
Posted by Uga Alum
Member since Jul 2022
5178 posts
Posted on 9/1/25 at 12:25 pm to
The original Nicene creed said that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father. The Catholics later changed it to “proceeds from the Father and Son.”

This is an important distinction because it essentially makes the Holy Spirit subservient to the Father and the Son when all three persons are equally and fully God. This is why I’m Orthodox and not Catholic. There are a ridiculous amount of reasons why I am not Protestant. Really too many to mention. Protestants believe in whacky stuff like dispensationalism.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 9/1/25 at 12:28 pm to
I'm fine with Christian unity but we have to both first agree that killing is bad.
Posted by rgsa
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Member since May 2015
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Posted on 9/1/25 at 12:32 pm to
In.
Posted by SallysHuman
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Member since Jan 2025
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Posted on 9/1/25 at 12:32 pm to
quote:

I'm fine with Christian unity but we have to both first agree that killing is bad.


There is a difference between killing and murder. But yes, murder is bad.
Posted by Knartfocker
Member since Jun 2020
1656 posts
Posted on 9/1/25 at 12:39 pm to
quote:

This Creed is present on web pages and Churches of all types of Christianity:
...
Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America
Orthodox Church in America


No. The Orthodox explicitly reject this:

quote:

who proceeds from the Father and the Son,


We say the creed daily without the filioque. And that is really the heart of the whole issue. All the different sects have different views of the Trinity, which leads to different views of Christology, ecclesiology, soteriology, eschatology, etc.

quote:

If you and I disagree about God, one or both of us is wrong.

So for these things that are not yet clear, yet are not fundamental to salvation, let us approach each other in humility and love.


Seems kind of obvious that we should all at least be on the same page about who God is in order for unity to work. That seems about as fundamental to salvation as anything, really.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 9/1/25 at 12:40 pm to
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There is a difference between killing and murder. But yes, murder is bad.


Let's not beat around the bush. What's causing all this consternation is what happening in Gaza.

On one side you have a faction that wants to kill them all.

On the other side you have a faction that wants to kill them all.

And in the middle you have a lot of people, including me saying y'all are all fricked up and we should not be facilitating one side or the other.
Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
5480 posts
Posted on 9/1/25 at 12:41 pm to
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The original Nicene creed said that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father. The Catholics later changed it to “proceeds from the Father and Son.”

There is a fundamental failure of human language to encompass God, I believe it was made in a good faith effort.

I copied the catholic version as it is the most common used in America, as it aligns closely with the ICET 1973 translation. Again though, we are dealing with a translation of the original which is in Greek, which still would fail to encompass the trinity in words.

These are best efforts by men, just as the Bible is also translated.

The other reason is I am not a Catholic, I do not want to put my personal spin on something, so I used the most common text.
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This is an important distinction because it essentially makes the Holy Spirit subservient to the Father and the Son when all three persons are equally and fully God. This is why I’m Orthodox and not Catholic

I do not believe that the vast majority of Catholics believe that this line implies that the Holy Spirit is not fully and equally God.
But again is not this the gift of theology, to in love discuss and debate the nature of God?

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There are a ridiculous amount of reasons why I am not Protestant. Really too many to mention. Protestants believe in whacky stuff like dispensationalism.


I think you could have phrased that better, but do you indeed think dispensationalist beliefs by one who Believes the Nicaea Creed invalidates their salvation?
It may be incorrect, but Christ's death is more powerful than failing to reach a 100% on a theology test involving the number of angels dancing on the head of a pin.

The Thief on the Cross's theology involved one thing.

Luke 23:39-43
quote:

Then he said, 'Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom. Jesus answered him, 'I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise.'"
Posted by StrongOffer
Member since Sep 2020
6218 posts
Posted on 9/1/25 at 12:42 pm to
quote:

This is an important distinction because it essentially makes the Holy Spirit subservient to the Father and the Son when all three persons are equally and fully God.
Does proceeds from the Father mean the Holy Spirit is subservient to the Father?
Posted by SallysHuman
Lady Palmetto Bug
Member since Jan 2025
12334 posts
Posted on 9/1/25 at 12:44 pm to
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GumboPot


Maybe so... but I appreciate this post calling for Christian Unity- the vitriol between different flavors has been very disturbing to witness. It's like dark forces are seeking to separate believers and I do not like it.
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
68738 posts
Posted on 9/1/25 at 12:44 pm to
What is the relevance of your personal observations to this thread? Unless you've confirmed that each faction you've idenitifed are divided based on specific branches of Christianity, you may be looking for a different thread.
Posted by SallysHuman
Lady Palmetto Bug
Member since Jan 2025
12334 posts
Posted on 9/1/25 at 12:45 pm to
quote:

There is a fundamental failure of human language to encompass God


Amen.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 9/1/25 at 12:47 pm to
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I appreciate this post calling for Christian Unity- the vitriol between different flavors has been very disturbing to witness. It's like dark forces are seeking to separate believers and I do not like it.


Don't disagree.



IMO it's ridiculous to quarrel over Christian traditions and Traditions in how to live the faith. Just John 3:16. That should be the baseline and if followed faithfully the rest will follow.
Posted by Lsupimp
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Posted on 9/1/25 at 12:47 pm to
Amen.
Posted by Uga Alum
Member since Jul 2022
5178 posts
Posted on 9/1/25 at 12:50 pm to
Each person of the Holy Trinity possesses unique characteristics and/or traits. If the Father and the Son possess the same traits that the Holy Spirit does not, that makes the Holy Spirit subservient to the Father and Son.
In this scenario, the Catholics believe that the Father and the Son possess the trait that makes the Holy Spirit proceed from them both.
Posted by BR92
Member since Apr 2021
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Posted on 9/1/25 at 12:50 pm to
in
Posted by StrongOffer
Member since Sep 2020
6218 posts
Posted on 9/1/25 at 12:52 pm to
I guess I’m a little confused. You have no problem with the original creed saying the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father. Why do you have no problem with that wording, but have a problem with the same language with and the Son added? The meaning of proceeds doesn’t change.
This post was edited on 9/1/25 at 12:53 pm
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