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Help from good guitarists

Posted on 8/10/25 at 10:11 pm
Posted by Masterag
'Round Dallas
Member since Sep 2014
19874 posts
Posted on 8/10/25 at 10:11 pm
Been playing off and on for probably 20 years, but never really gave it my best shot for the long haul, so I'd probably be considered a lower level intermediate guitarist. Theory wise I know the major/minor scales, barre chords, notes on the top 2 strings, can work out a chord progression in Major keys, and can solo without sounding like an idiot. I can play songs and a few complicated solos from hendrix, gilmour, etc. but it takes me a long time to get them down, and I probably couldn't play them note for note under pressure.

But, I'm really giving it a good go this time and have been practicing every day since the end of may. I'm learning the CAGED system and triads, and trying to learn how to be what I would consider really good. Like the guys who would hear in the guitar store noodling around and think, damn that dude can play.

My question: how do I get to that level? What should I be practicing? I can practice for about an hour a day.

Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
69163 posts
Posted on 8/10/25 at 10:29 pm to
Scales: major, minor, pentatonic, and modes. You need to be practicing scales (both up strokes and down strokes) to a metronome. You need to be studying techniques to make sure that you're holding your pick the correct way and gripping the neck of the guitar with your wrist and fretting fingers at the correct angles. Little things like that will plateau your playing, and correcting them will feel awkward at first, but result in huge gains soon thereafter. Learn box technique so once you get good at playing those scales, you know how to move them up and down the fretboard.

What this accomplishes is it builds up your speed, gives your fingers muscle memory, and trains your ear to know what sounds "right". As a result, when you start to play solos, your fingers will be able to move faster than your brain without missing notes. Your fingers will have enough muscle memory, and your ear will have enough experience with keys and scales to know intuitively what to do in a pinch.

Next, go on songster or ultimate guitar and just start learning covers. Learn as many songs as you can by as many different kinds of artists as you can. Every song will inevitably teach you something useful, whether you realize it or not. One thing I often do is go on Youtube and look up videos like "what makes this song great" or "what makes ____ band sound like _____". I will inevitably learn more than a few tricks that I can incorporate into my own playing and songwriting.

This is how you jump from a beginner intermediate to advanced intermediate to advanced. This is known as the "slow hard way", but it's actually the fastest and simplest way to sustainably get good.
Posted by Fiddler crab
South in winter North in summer
Member since Jul 2024
149 posts
Posted on 8/11/25 at 7:31 am to
Reading “The Practice of Practice” by Jonathan Harnum might help you level up, especially if you’re not working regularly with a teacher or mentor. Harnum defines practice more broadly than you might expect and offers some solid advice for musicians no matter the instrument or style. I understand that reading a book seems primitive given the wealth of multimedia resources available these days, but this one could really help you frame your project.
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
30738 posts
Posted on 8/11/25 at 8:52 am to
First, what is it that you want to be able to do in the end? Do you want to write/compose, or do you want to just learn to do covers that sound just like the originals?
I think the approach is different, depending on the desired outcome.
I don't care for doing covers, so I picked out a few of my favorite pickers and concentrate on the things they do that I like. Borrow some of this and some of that then put together what I can.

You said that you know all of the notes on the top 2 strings, IMO you should know every note on every string, without having to think about it for more than a split second.
Next, learn chord building and the numbers system. Buy a numbers wheel, or make one yourself from paper plates.
Making one yourself is probably better, because you will have to figure it out. Once you figure it out, you won't need it anymore. You will be able to transpose any song to any key almost instantly.
Now all of the things I mentioned, they won't make you better right away. That still takes time and practice, but the guitar will become less of a mystery to you, and you will find new ways to do anything.
Posted by Masterag
'Round Dallas
Member since Sep 2014
19874 posts
Posted on 8/11/25 at 3:29 pm to
quote:

Do you want to write/compose, or do you want to just learn to do covers that sound just like the originals?


I don't really care to write songs, but I want to be able to play chord progressions and solo in any key, and play various shapes up and down the neck. Which would seem to necessitate me learning all the notes on the neck and the chord wheel, as you suggest.
Posted by Mizz-SEC
Inbred Huntin' In The SEC
Member since Jun 2013
21938 posts
Posted on 8/11/25 at 3:54 pm to
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I'm learning the CAGED system and triads

I've only been playing for 3-4 years have a young friend (18) trying to tell me to invest time into these. My goal would be to play modest introductions and then strum. Playing actual solos seems light years away, but would be ok if I could apply logic to it.

What would CAGED and triads do if I'm going to be a rhythm player 99.5% of the time?
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
30738 posts
Posted on 8/11/25 at 4:14 pm to
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What would CAGED and triads do if I'm going to be a rhythm player 99.5% of the time?

It gives you a choice of different ways to play any chord, just by moving shapes up and down the neck.
It can give a different feel to songs and can also make some things easier to play.
For example, I usually play a D chord by using a C shape moved 2 frets higher, but sometimes I will play it by using the A shape at the 7th fret. That allows me to easily change between a D, B minor and G quickly by only moving 2 fingers, my middle finger and ring finger.
Same with a C chord played in the A shape at the 5th fret. You can change between C, A minor and F very quickly.
All kinds of stuff like that when you learn it.
Posted by Masterag
'Round Dallas
Member since Sep 2014
19874 posts
Posted on 8/11/25 at 11:05 pm to
quote:

What would CAGED and triads do if I'm going to be a rhythm player 99.5% of the time?



like Auggie said, CAGED allows you to play different chords all over the neck. So instead of playing a C in two places using E and A string barre chords, you can play it in 5 places. It's helpful if you're playing in a Key where most of the notes are not in close range to the scale position you want to focus your solo playing in.

learning triads basically helps you learn the notes on the lowest three strings. it's great for embellishing chords, coloring chord changes, and allows you to play more chords in different places. the voicings are quite differnent, too. I would say triads would be more helpful than CAGED if you plan on playing mostly rhythm.
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
An Incredibly Distant Star
Member since Dec 2013
18452 posts
Posted on 8/12/25 at 7:45 am to
quote:

Help from good guitarists


Jokes on you! I suck.
This post was edited on 8/12/25 at 7:45 am
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
30738 posts
Posted on 8/12/25 at 8:48 am to
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like Auggie said, CAGED allows you to play different chords all over the neck. So instead of playing a C in two places using E and A string barre chords, you can play it in 5 places. It's helpful if you're playing in a Key where most of the notes are not in close range to the scale position you want to focus your solo playing in.

learning triads basically helps you learn the notes on the lowest three strings. it's great for embellishing chords, coloring chord changes, and allows you to play more chords in different places. the voicings are quite differnent, too. I would say triads would be more helpful than CAGED if you plan on playing mostly rhythm.

Personally, I started learning the CAGED stuff first a few years ago, when I started trying to learn Merle Travis style picking with a thumb pick and fingers.
I found that I could do some things that I liked in 1 chord, by moving it around to different shapes and positions and changing my picking pattern for my fingers up, sort of like a banjo player. It could sound like a lot, but it's really just 1 chord.
Then I started learning to pick out different style bass lines with my thumb on the top strings, I wouldn't call it triads exactly, but it can be similar.
Now I'm getting better at it and am doing more complex progressions, throwing passing chords in and stuff.
I'm not where I want to be yet, but it seems like I'm getting there slowly.
It started out by learning to move the shapes and positions around though and learning the fretboard better.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
33763 posts
Posted on 8/12/25 at 10:23 am to
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I can practice for about an hour a day.


Congrats on the divorce. At least you got to keep your guitar.

Pics? (of the guitar, not your ex-wife)
Posted by Masterag
'Round Dallas
Member since Sep 2014
19874 posts
Posted on 8/12/25 at 4:49 pm to
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Congrats on the divorce


Nah, I just play while she washes dishes after the kids go to bed. I cook dinner, she cleans up. win-win.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
33763 posts
Posted on 8/12/25 at 5:23 pm to
Good for you. Keep plugging away
Posted by Kcprogguitar
Kansas City
Member since Oct 2014
928 posts
Posted on 8/13/25 at 8:42 am to
It’s a slow ramp up. Then plateaus. Metronome.

If you want to learn how music is “constructed”, buy a cheap, and I mean cheap keyboard. You use it to learn the voicings and intervals. It’s easier to learn because it’s linear in its layout. Each note can only be played in one place. No need to worry about learning to play it, unless you want to, it’s a tool to understand the language you’re using. Intervals. Triads. If you can get one that’s touch sensitive, all the better. Dynamics.

Metronome.

Learn to sing. Joe Walsh is quoted saying if you can sing a phrase, you can learn to play it. Sing with the notes you’re playing on the aforementioned piano. The quality of your singing doesn’t matter, once again, unless you want it to. It’s another tool.

Metronome.

I can’t stress this enough. Metronome. It’s an absolute necessity. I don’t care what you know, if it isn’t in time, it sounds like shite. There’s a new thing called a pulse watch which is supposed to be awesome. Haven’t tried it. I’ll report back if I do.

Learning to read music is a great way to start understanding what you’re trying to learn. It’s the written language. It has melody, harmony and timing right there. It’s literally teaching you as you read it.

Start simple. Stay simple until you master what you’re doing. But…at the end of your playing session, reach for something more challenging. When you master that, you’ve progressed.

Lessons if you can find the time. I’ve been playing 45 years and I’m taking lessons from one of the hottest young fusion players around. But, it’s not about how many years you’ve played. It’s about hours and minutes. Practice in your head. Listen outside your genre.

And for gods sake, go lightly on the YouTube tutorials. 99% are pure garbage. Start with Guthrie Trapp. It’s a bit elevated at times, but it’s honest. Develop a warm up. I like the 3 notes per string scales. It helps with those longer stretches. Which leads to cooler chord voicings. Think of it like football players warming up before a game. My warmup takes a little over a minute.

Metronome.

How do you become good at something? Focus. Practice. Practice focusing.

Shortcuts lead to dead ends.
Posted by Masterag
'Round Dallas
Member since Sep 2014
19874 posts
Posted on 8/13/25 at 9:57 am to
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Kcprogguitar


Good stuff, thanks!

Posted by Kcprogguitar
Kansas City
Member since Oct 2014
928 posts
Posted on 8/13/25 at 10:29 pm to
There are some guys pretty passionate about playing on here.
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