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Zelensky Finally Took Some Of His Dead Soldiers Back. Russia handed over 1,212 Bodies

Posted on 6/11/25 at 11:50 am
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 6/11/25 at 11:50 am
The KIA Ratio keeps getting worse for Ukraine. No wonder Zelensky was trying to avoid doing this exchange.





Posted by SirWinston
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Posted on 6/11/25 at 11:55 am to
Coeur De Tigre in absolute shambles
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 6/11/25 at 11:57 am to
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Coeur De Tigre in absolute shambles


The numbers keep getting worse for Ukraine. CitizenK said they are only that bad because Russia is killing all the POWs


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Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 6/11/25 at 1:05 pm to
What is also very strange is the argument that Russia is the advancing army. The problem with that argument is Russia is not taking huge amounts of land and they have been advancing for 12 months when the body exchanges were not this lopsided. So I asked Grok what changed in the last 6 months


Ukraine's military has faced increased pressure from intensified Russian offensives in the Donetsk region since early 2025, leading to higher casualties.

A reported shift in Russian tactics, including greater use of guided bombs and drone swarms, has overwhelmed Ukrainian defenses in the last six months.

U.S. military aid to Ukraine slowed significantly in April 2025 due to congressional delays, leaving Ukrainian forces with depleted ammunition stocks.

New satellite imagery from May 2025 shows Russia reinforcing its troop numbers along the front line, outpacing Ukraine's recruitment efforts.

Internal Ukrainian reports, leaked in May 2025, indicate a shortage of trained personnel, forcing less experienced soldiers into combat roles.

Posted by dstone12
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Posted on 6/11/25 at 1:07 pm to
May be a war of attrition until Russia sees the opportunity to easily advance with much less consequences per hectare.
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Posted by LARancher1991
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Posted on 6/11/25 at 1:12 pm to
We are on the topic of protests right now save the Ukraine stuff for when people will actually care.
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 6/11/25 at 1:17 pm to
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May be a war of attrition until Russia sees the opportunity to easily advance with much less consequences per hectare


Yeah, Russia seems to be grinding them down. Seems like a good strategy
Posted by BlackPawnMartyr
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Posted on 6/11/25 at 1:22 pm to
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U.S. military aid to Ukraine slowed significantly in April 2025 due to congressional delays


I guess its better to blame congress than to admit that western manufacturing cant keep up with demand and the types of weapons that the west has chosen to focus on, while making lots of money for R&D companies, does not play out well in a long war.
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 6/11/25 at 1:30 pm to
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I guess its better to blame congress than to admit that western manufacturing cant keep up with demand and the types of weapons that the west has chosen to focus on, 


Yeah, not sure where Grok got that information. I read Trump only stopped aid for like 3 days after the Oval Office incident but then it was restarted
Posted by LARancher1991
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Posted on 6/11/25 at 1:56 pm to
That's true, but also Ukraine isn't getting the latest and greatest stuff. Plus it doesn't matter how advanced your weapons are if you don't have the manpower to use them effectively.
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 6/11/25 at 2:26 pm to
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but also Ukraine isn't getting the latest and greatest stuff.


Incorrect. They are getting alot of advanced equipment per Grok


"The United States has been a major supplier of military aid to Ukraine, providing a range of weapons and equipment to support its defense against Russia. Based on recent information, here’s a summary of the types of weapons Ukraine is receiving from the U.S.

Weapons and Equipment Provided by the U.S. to Ukraine:

Missile Systems:

Army Tactical Missile Systems
(ATACMS):
Long-range ballistic missiles with a range of up to 300 km, capable of carrying cluster munitions. These have been used to strike Russian military targets, including bases and infrastructure, with restrictions on their use inside Russia lifted in November 2024. Approximately 40 ATACMS have been delivered.

High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS): Advanced rocket launchers that provide precision strikes. HIMARS ammunition has been included in multiple aid packages.

Air Defense Systems:

Patriot Air Defense Systems: Ukraine has received Patriot batteries and missiles to counter Russian ballistic and cruise missiles. These are critical for protecting cities and infrastructure, though additional systems are needed due to high demand and limited U.S. stockpiles.

Stinger Missiles: Portable anti-aircraft missiles for countering low-flying aircraft and drones. Thousands have been provided, including ~1,000 in a recent package.

Avenger Air Defense Systems: Short-range air defense systems, with eight units delivered in earlier packages.

Armored Vehicles and Infantry Support:
Bradley Infantry Fighting Vehicles (IFVs): Over 100 M2 Bradleys have been supplied, equipped with TOW anti-tank missiles and 25mm ammunition for ground combat.

Stryker Armored Personnel Carriers (APCs): Around 90 Strykers have been delivered for troop transport and combat support.

M113 APCs: Approximately 100 M113s have been provided for troop mobility.

Mine-Resistant Ambush Protected Vehicles (MRAPs): 108 MRAPs have been sent to protect against mines and ambushes.

HMMWVs (Humvees): Over 2,000 High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicles have been delivered for versatile transport.

Artillery and Ammunition:
155mm Howitzers and Ammunition: Includes self-propelled Paladin howitzers (18-31 units) and towed howitzers (36 units), with millions of rounds, including precision-guided and cluster munitions (DPICM).

105mm Howitzers: 36 units with 95,000 rounds for lighter artillery support.

120mm Mortar Ammunition: 12,000 rounds delivered for close-range support.

Remote Anti-Armor Mine (RAAM) Systems: 1,200 systems for minefield deployment.

Drones and Counter-Drone Systems:

Penguin UAVs: Unmanned aerial vehicles for reconnaissance and targeting.

Counter-Drone Munitions: Included in recent packages to combat Russian drones.

Anti-Tank Weapons:
Javelin Missiles: Anti-tank guided missiles included in multiple aid packages for destroying armored vehicles.

TOW Missiles: Over 500 delivered with Bradley IFVs for anti-tank warfare.

Non-Persistent Antipersonnel Landmines: Included in recent aid to counter infantry advances.

Intelligence and Surveillance:
The U.S. provides real-time intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance (ISR) data, critical for targeting and situational awareness. This support briefly paused in early 2025 but resumed.

Emphasis on Advanced Weapons:
The U.S. has increasingly focused on supplying Ukraine with advanced weapons systems to enhance its battlefield capabilities:

Long-Range Precision: Systems like ATACMS and HIMARS allow Ukraine to strike high-value targets deep in Russian-held territory, shifting from Soviet-era weapons to modern, precision-guided systems.

Air Defense: Patriot systems and Stinger missiles provide robust defense against Russian air threats, addressing Ukraine’s need to protect critical infrastructure.

Mobility and Firepower: Bradleys, Strykers, and Javelins equip Ukraine with mobile, high-firepower options to counter Russian armor and infantry.

Policy Shift on Range Restrictions: In November 2024, the U.S. lifted restrictions on using long-range weapons like ATACMS inside Russia, enabling Ukraine to target military assets more effectively.

Technological Edge: The integration of advanced ISR data and drones enhances Ukraine’s ability to conduct modern warfare, with U.S. systems complementing Ukraine’s domestically developed drone capabilities.




Posted by LARancher1991
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Posted on 6/11/25 at 2:57 pm to
Advanced but not the latest and greatest (except for maybe air defense I'll give ya that). For example like the Abrams tank. Ukraine was supplied with the M1A1 Abrams the original production model. The current model is the M1A2sepv3. Same case for a lot of supplied equipment we aren't going to send the best we got to Ukraine just so it can be captured and studied by the Russians and Chinese
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 6/11/25 at 3:13 pm to
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Advanced but not the latest and greatest (except for maybe air defense I'll give ya that). 


Yeah, I mainly was talking about missle systems not so much the tanks, because I read somewhere there is only 1 system or missle we have not given them yet think it was the AGM-158 JASSM if I remember correctly

Posted by Leopold
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Posted on 6/11/25 at 4:06 pm to
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I guess its better to blame congress than to admit that western manufacturing cant keep up with demand and the types of weapons that the west has chosen to focus on, while making lots of money for R&D companies, does not play out well in a long war.


Western companies easily out produce Russian production- keep in mind the Russians are reliant on the North Koreans, of all things. We just choose not to give them what they need.

The Ukraine has asked to buy equipment, for example. We should be selling them everything they want, for both of our benefits, we just choose not to do it, for silly reasons.
Posted by BlackPawnMartyr
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Posted on 6/11/25 at 4:15 pm to
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Western companies easily out produce Russian production


Unlikely true.

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keep in mind the Russians are reliant on the North Koreans


And the US and the west is heavily dependent on China for parts.

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We just choose not to give them what they need.


We have given them in mass most of what we have. Pretending your latest R&D weapons are going to save you in a protracted war is delusional at best and then there is the fact that these probably have an even greater supply issue and are take even longer to manufacturer with even more dependence on foreign sourcing for small parts and rare materials.

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We should be selling them everything they want


They dont have any money to buy anything. They are completely bankrupt and the west is paying for their entire economy to basically stop being a functioning country and become a 100% breeding army for western banking powers.
Posted by Gaspergou202
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Posted on 6/11/25 at 4:41 pm to
Just like the last time I answered the last rant on this same subject.

Russia can no longer afford wood coffins for their dead. They’re using cardboard boxes like an Amazon package.

Ukraine still occupies Russian territory.

Ukraine has successfully attacked the Crimea bridge and Russian strategic bombers.

Kiev hasn’t fallen, the war continues, and victory is not certain for either side.

What is certain is that there will be no clear victor. Russia will not recover economically, its arms industry has lost its reputation, and it will no longer have the young men to fight a war of this size. Finally it has a militant China on its weakest border.

Ukraine also will have difficulty economically. But agriculture recovers quicker, and unlike Russia it will enjoy EU and U.S. investments. It will not have the manpower to fight another war of this size, but as the non aggressor this doesn’t matter as much.

Both need peace and an end to the killing, but neither are seriously seeking it yet.
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 6/11/25 at 4:44 pm to
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Russia can no longer afford wood coffins for their dead. They’re using cardboard boxes like an Amazon package.





I stopped reading after this nonsense
Posted by TheArrogantCorndog
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Posted on 6/11/25 at 4:51 pm to
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Russia will not recover economically, its arms industry has lost its reputation, and it will no longer have the young men to fight a war of this size. Finally it has a militant China on its weakest border.


I have a hard time believing Russia is putting their best foot forward in this war... in fact, I believe Russia is actively using this war as a training ground for their mid to lower tier units, as well as using it as a testing ground for their newest weapon systems, i.e. hypersonic missiles
Posted by Gaspergou202
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Posted on 6/11/25 at 5:10 pm to
Well here’s your problem, “I stopped reading after this nonsense”. Read more speculate less!
Fox News Photo
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 6/11/25 at 5:53 pm to
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Read more speculate less!


Are you a retard? That is not a cardboard box. Metallic Caskets are common in Military Funerals per Grok. You should stop slurping up propaganda and use your brain if you are capable.


"The image you referenced from Fox News depicts a military funeral, showing a coffin rather than a cardboard box. The metal top is probably the lid of a metallic casket, commonly used in military funerals for durability, presentation, and to honor the deceased. Unlike a cardboard box, which has a flimsy, lightweight top, a casket's metal lid is designed to be sturdy and secure, often sealed for burial."

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