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Another Cholesterol Question with a twist - UPDATE - Got Cardiac Calcium Score

Posted on 5/13/25 at 12:24 pm
Posted by Atttaboy
Atlanta, GA
Member since Aug 2014
344 posts
Posted on 5/13/25 at 12:24 pm
My PCP told me in my last visit that he’s concerned that I’m a cardiac ticking time bomb. I was pretty shocked.

He’s concerned that my HDL (good cholesterol) is extremely high, which some recent studies have shown can be very bad.

Here are my numbers from 18 months apart:

Late 2023:

Triglycerides: 104
LDL: 69
HDL: 109
Total Cholesterol: 197

Early 2025:

Triglycerides: 60
LDL: 67
HDL: 101
Total Cholesterol: 182

He’s submitted me for a calcium cardiac scan which is scheduled for early June.

FYI - I’m 62 years old, 5’7”, 135 lbs. I do strength training, pickleball and yoga and have a super healthy diet.

I’ve done InBody scans for 4 weeks straight to get a series of readings. It places me as a D-type body, with body fat percentages ranging from 7-9%.

I read the studies that he referenced, and they looked legit. I then read a study that countered both of those.

I’ve researched how to decrease HDL and I can’t find a single reference on how to do that.

Any thoughts/comments if there’s a real concern here?

This post was edited on 6/4/25 at 4:22 am
Posted by NewOrleansBlend
Member since Mar 2008
1152 posts
Posted on 5/13/25 at 2:23 pm to
Your PCP is likely mistaken just like the people who have said for decades that your high HDL is protective against CVD. High HDL is neither dangerous or protective. Peter Attia has a podcast with lipid researcher Dan Rader that goes deep into HDL and is worth a listen. LINK

Low HDL on the other hand is associated with increased CVD risk and is usually caused by insulin resistance. Insulin resistance drives the increased CVD risk though not the low HDL.
This post was edited on 5/13/25 at 2:25 pm
Posted by Atttaboy
Atlanta, GA
Member since Aug 2014
344 posts
Posted on 5/13/25 at 2:52 pm to
Thanks - I’ll give it a listen
Posted by NewOrleansBlend
Member since Mar 2008
1152 posts
Posted on 5/13/25 at 3:12 pm to
Sure. Post the studies they referenced if you have them, would like to read them.
Posted by Atttaboy
Atlanta, GA
Member since Aug 2014
344 posts
Posted on 5/13/25 at 3:37 pm to
I can’t find the studies that I originally found but they were conducted in South Korea, Germany, and Emory. Here are a couple of quick references to the high HDL being bad story.

LINK

LINK

Posted by NewOrleansBlend
Member since Mar 2008
1152 posts
Posted on 5/14/25 at 12:12 pm to
I did some reading and I don’t see any good reason for concern.
1) the studies are observational and even the authors caution that the sample sizes are very small in the extremely high HdL group, making the data unreliable. Alcohol and liver disease can cause high hdls so perhaps those people were driving the mortality. Studies on patients with genetic causes of high HDL (cetp deficiency, etc) suggest they live a normal lifespan. Also, I don’t appreciate a plausible mechanism for high HDL alone to be dangerous
2). Your other parameters are good. Non HDL, Non LDL (= TC-HDL-LDL) cholesterol of 14 along with low triglycerides suggests low VLDL, IDL and remnants. LDL 67 which is fine but some people argue that even lower is better (particularly if it only requires low intensity meds). I’m sure you’ve read about dysfunctional HDL but you would expect evidence of dysfunctional lipid metabolism with elevated trigs, vldl, etc if that were the case.
3). Caution with the calcium scan as it may not reflect your current risk for plaque progression but instead plaque accumulation in the past. Your trigs in 2023 were elevated but not anymore.
4) There are no reasonable therapies to lower HDL so I’m not sure you can change it anyway. The one thing on your lipid profile that could be changed is LDL
This post was edited on 5/14/25 at 1:51 pm
Posted by Atttaboy
Atlanta, GA
Member since Aug 2014
344 posts
Posted on 5/14/25 at 4:01 pm to
Thanks so much!!
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
37090 posts
Posted on 5/15/25 at 3:38 pm to
quote:

body fat percentages ranging from 7-9%.


quote:

He’s submitted me for a calcium cardiac scan which is scheduled for early June.
That won't tell you anything. Ask for a Cleerly scan instead.
Posted by Atttaboy
Atlanta, GA
Member since Aug 2014
344 posts
Posted on 5/16/25 at 9:52 am to
Lots of strength training and a bit of a pickleball addiction kind of keeps me shredded…

Plus no junk food and don’t drink my calories.
Posted by Atttaboy
Atlanta, GA
Member since Aug 2014
344 posts
Posted on 6/4/25 at 4:22 am to
UPDATE: I had the Cardiac Calcium Score Test with Contrast Die yesterday, and the results came in overnight that I have a Calcium Score of 0! So happy to report that and thanks for the very valuable information regarding my high HDL!!
Posted by Ingeniero
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2013
20337 posts
Posted on 6/4/25 at 7:37 am to
That's a big relief! I got one right before I turned 30 as a baseline measurement because I have a family history of CAD. My dad likely had blockages starting in his mid 30s that went undiscovered until some big ole heart attacks into his 40s and 50s. A calcium score of 0 is great news.
Posted by LSUA 75
Colfax,La.
Member since Jan 2019
4338 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 8:56 am to
I think the role of cholesteral in CVD is overblown.From my reading and experience in ICU the biggest drivers of CVD is inflammation,smoking,diabetes and unfortunate inheritance of the lipoprotein (a) gene.
I took care of a surprising number of pts.with stents or bypass surgery with normal total cholesteral levels,like in the 160’s range.
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