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Was always taught: an officiating crew never inserts
Posted on 5/11/25 at 11:57 pm
Posted on 5/11/25 at 11:57 pm
itself into a contest which results in them being visible. I believe 1/3rd of calls are overturned on replay [some data I once read] and simply speaks to how anemic many actually are.
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Posted on 5/12/25 at 7:14 am to wfallstiger
I enjoy watching the umps. Best part of the game to me.
Posted on 5/12/25 at 7:20 am to wfallstiger
quote:Or maybe it speaks to how difficult it is... I can promise you no one is upset more by getting it wrong then the ump/official.
I believe 1/3rd of calls are overturned on replay [some data I once read] and simply speaks to how anemic many actually are.
PS - except for this particular ump since he's dreaming about butthole and manly parts.
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Posted on 5/12/25 at 7:38 am to wfallstiger
Officiating baseball is incredibly hard. Replay helps bring it as close the purest play sport as you can get.
So many calls overturned on replay are like 1 or 2 inches of disconnect from what the umpire thought he saw.
The fact they get so many right is pretty wild.
Let’s add the pitch box and this sport is officiating gold.
So many calls overturned on replay are like 1 or 2 inches of disconnect from what the umpire thought he saw.
The fact they get so many right is pretty wild.
Let’s add the pitch box and this sport is officiating gold.
Posted on 5/12/25 at 8:34 am to Meauxjeaux
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So many calls overturned on replay are like 1 or 2 inches of disconnect from what the umpire thought he saw.
The fact they get so many right is pretty wild.
exactly.
vast majority of calls that are overturned could only be seen in super slow motion.
even when slowing it down, there are a lot of "oooh, that's close!" type calls that aren't 100% clear either way.
Posted on 5/12/25 at 8:56 am to Meauxjeaux
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Officiating baseball is incredibly hard. Replay helps bring it as close the purest play sport as you can get.
So many calls overturned on replay are like 1 or 2 inches of disconnect from what the umpire thought he saw.
The fact they get so many right is pretty wild.
Let’s add the pitch box and this sport is officiating gold.
Exactly right. The most subjectively called portion of the game is the one that should be called by AI, IMO.
Posted on 5/12/25 at 9:02 am to mdomingue
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The most subjectively called portion of the game is the one that should be called by AI, IMO
Good idea.
AI instead of a hard box would be great.
Somehow, allowing an umpire to essentially establish his zone, but then assisting him throughout the game if he misses a few here and there.
Not sure how it would work, but I’m sure there’s a way with AI.
If he’s got a shorter and wider zone OK. If he’s got a taller and slimmer zone, OK. If he’s giving a little on the outside, OK.
Let him establish and then have AI assist in keeping it consistent.
Posted on 5/12/25 at 9:41 am to Meauxjeaux
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Let him establish and then have AI assist in keeping it consistent.
I kinda like this idea.
I like that pitchers have to "figure out" where the zone is for that game.
but I wish whatever that zone is, it remains that zone all game long to every single batter.
Posted on 5/12/25 at 9:41 am to Meauxjeaux
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Let him establish and then have AI assist in keeping it consistent.
There's no charm and no point in custom strike zones, if you have the ability to have a consistent, uniform strike zone
Posted on 5/12/25 at 9:46 am to Meauxjeaux
Keep the ump as some kind of game manager thing but use tech for balls and strikes, have it send the call to the ump and both coaches and the ump just calls the result. Eliminate a huge portion of problems.
Posted on 5/12/25 at 9:57 am to mdomingue
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The most subjectively called portion of the game is the one that should be called by AI, IMO.
No. Just because all the women of TD have their panties in a bunch over a bad home plate umpire doesn’t mean we need to go changing the entire sport. I swear, I don’t know how any of you really get through life facing any adversary. I bet if you stub your toe on the coffee table you have your husbands take it outside and burn it.
Posted on 5/12/25 at 10:01 am to Havoc
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Keep the ump as some kind of game manager thing but use tech for balls and strikes, have it send the call to the ump and both coaches and the ump just calls the result. Eliminate a huge portion of problems.
That's basically what I had in mind, though I had not thought about the feed going to both coaches and the ump. But let the coaches with the league office determine the strike zones, not the umpire per game. With some tweaking possible in season as a possibility, but within certain parameters.
Posted on 5/12/25 at 10:09 am to HeadCall
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No. Just because all the women of TD have their panties in a bunch over a bad home plate umpire doesn’t mean we need to go changing the entire sport. I swear, I don’t know how any of you really get through life facing any adversary. I bet if you stub your toe on the coffee table you have your husbands take it outside and burn it.
Imagine a guy crying about changing a sport that changes all the time, trying to cast aspersions on folks who want to use technology to make the game better. You sound like a butthurt ump.
Posted on 5/12/25 at 10:10 am to The Mick
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Or maybe it speaks to how difficult it is... I can promise you no one is upset more by getting it wrong then the ump/official.
Great. Then take away the ball/strike responsibility and make them only responsible for the rest of the calls.
Posted on 5/12/25 at 10:10 am to olgoi khorkhoi
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There's no charm and no point in custom strike zones
sure there is.
a pitcher finding just how far on the edges he can work is a big part of the game.
in every sport, players have to find out how much "leeway" they're getting from the officials.
are they calling it 100% straight by the books?
are they "letting them play"?
somewhere in between?
it's a part of the strategy that changes from game to game.
you just want it to be consistent both ways all game long.
By rule, if any part of the ball at all crosses any part of the strike zone at all, it's a strike.
Because not all umpires stand in the exact same position, their view changes slightly. Which either "expands" or "shrinks" the zone.
It's up to the pitcher and batter to determine where the edges are in each game.
As fans we just want that edge to be the same edge all game long.
Posted on 5/12/25 at 10:14 am to Meauxjeaux
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Somehow, allowing an umpire to essentially establish his zone, but then assisting him throughout the game if he misses a few here and there.
Not sure how it would work, but I’m sure there’s a way with AI.
If he’s got a shorter and wider zone OK. If he’s got a taller and slimmer zone, OK. If he’s giving a little on the outside, OK.
Let him establish and then have AI assist in keeping it consistent.
I'd prefer the conference and the coaches come to an agreement on the strike zone and have a method to tweak it as needed. Then it is consistent across games and umps. I do see the nod to nostalgia with your suggestion, which might help some of the folks in here crying about changing the game, like that doesn't happen all the time, deal with the change that has them all tied up in knots.
Posted on 5/12/25 at 10:16 am to mdomingue
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Imagine a guy crying about changing a sport that changes all the time
I don’t like the DH
I don’t like instant replay
I don’t like the pitch clock
I don’t like the extra first base
I don’t like the oven mitts
I think players should be allowed to wear elbow guards but if you get HBP in the guard you don’t get to take a base. Should have to earn that base with some pain.
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trying to cast aspersions on folks who want to use technology to make the game better. You sound like a butthurt ump.
Not an ump, also not an emotionally over-reactive pussy.
Posted on 5/12/25 at 10:23 am to HeadCall
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Not an ump, also not an emotionally over-reactive pussy.
You immediately start calling people names who express an opinion that is different from yours, but somehow think you are not an emotionally overreactive pussy?
You're right, you're a delusional emotionally overreactive pussy.
And you forgot the green bag at first base
This post was edited on 5/12/25 at 10:24 am
Posted on 5/12/25 at 10:27 am to mdomingue
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You immediately start calling people names who express an opinion that is different from yours, but somehow think you are not an emotionally overreactive pussy?
Oh no sir, not immediately at all. The rant start whining in the top of the 1st inning yesterday about robo-umps and I fought this battle all day long being called every name under the sun simply for not wanting an electronic strike zone.
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And you forgot the green bag at first base
Re read, I most certainly did not.
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