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Black students in Mississippi are now significantly outperforming black Wisconsin students

Posted on 5/6/25 at 10:29 pm
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 5/6/25 at 10:29 pm
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The data is absolutely astounding, and I am sick and tired of seeing TD posters downplay what is happening in LA and MS

You read that right. Mississippi is taking names.

In 2003, only the District of Columbia had more fourth graders in the lowest achievement level on our national reading test (NAEP) than Mississippi.1 By 2024, only four states had fewer.


When the Urban Institute adjusted national test results2 for student demographics, this is where Mississippi ranked:

Fourth grade math: 1st
Fourth grade reading: 1st
Eighth grade math: 1st
Eighth grade reading: 4th
How about Black students? The root of Mississippi’s bad reputation is its historically awful record on civil rights - including its refusal to integrate schools.

That was then.

Now, it has a different story to tell. Black students in Mississippi posted the third highest fourth grade reading scores in the nation. They walloped their counterparts in better-funded states. The average Black student in Mississippi performed about 1.5 grade levels ahead of the average Black student in Wisconsin. Just think about that for a moment. Wisconsin spends about 35 percent more per pupil to achieve worse results.


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Louisiana was the only state to fully erase pandemic learning loss among fourth grade readers. It ranked in the top five for all four NAEP grades/subjects in the demographically adjusted results. Alabama was the only state whose fourth graders beat their pre-COVID performance in math. In years past, notable gains have been posted by Florida, Tennessee and Texas.

These successes have not been wholly unacknowledged. They have been dutifully and perfunctorily name-checked in news stories. Nonetheless, there has been, shall we say, a reluctance among national voices to extol Deep South examples as worthy of emulation by their so-called “better off” peers.3

You can’t go around saying Maine ought to visit Mississippi to learn how to teach reading. It’s insulting. You could ruin a cocktail party. After all, Maine has Kennebunkport. Mississippi has Biloxi.

But that’s exactly what should happen. Below are the reading scores for these two states over time. For context, 10 points on NAEP is approximately the equivalent of one grade level. In 2002, students in Mississippi were two years behind students in Maine. Today, they are about a year ahead.




Posted by Master of Sinanju
Member since Feb 2012
11866 posts
Posted on 5/6/25 at 10:32 pm to
Yes, Kiffin has them rolling.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465012 posts
Posted on 5/6/25 at 10:33 pm to
This podcast series was posted for me on the poli board about this topic and it was quite illuminating as to why so many school systems suck at teaching reading these days.

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Sold a Story: How Teaching Kids to Read Went So Wrong

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There's an idea about how children learn to read that's held sway in schools for more than a generation — even though it was proven wrong by cognitive scientists decades ago. Teaching methods based on this idea can make it harder for children to learn how to read. In this podcast, host Emily Hanford investigates the influential authors who promote this idea and the company that sells their work. It's an exposé of how educators came to believe in something that isn't true and are now reckoning with the consequences — children harmed, money wasted, an education system upended.
Posted by TigerGman
Center of the Universe
Member since Sep 2006
13391 posts
Posted on 5/6/25 at 10:34 pm to
You are assuming the grades aren't being puffed...

Let;s see Wisconsin's schools grade puffing credibility vs. La & Miss ?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465012 posts
Posted on 5/6/25 at 10:35 pm to
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You are assuming the grades aren't being puffed...


Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
73066 posts
Posted on 5/6/25 at 10:36 pm to
Posted by TigerGman
Center of the Universe
Member since Sep 2006
13391 posts
Posted on 5/6/25 at 10:46 pm to
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You are assuming the grades aren't being puffed...





Yeah, cause that could never happen, right asshat?

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This all sounds a lot like the Atlanta public schools test-cheating scandal of 2013. The superintendent relied on cash incentives for raising test scores and believed the hyped numbers she (and the public) were shown. Teachers and administrators in all schools tried hard to raise test scores, and some improved. But in many schools, fear and cynicism took hold so that test prep replaced other instruction and faculty and administrators falsified test scores. Real harm was done when parents were deceived about levels of student performance, and children were denied catch-up opportunities. The superintendent and some others ended up as defendants in the criminal justice system, and the once-celebrated Atlanta school system was back to square one.





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Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465012 posts
Posted on 5/6/25 at 10:47 pm to
data that doesn't fit my preconceived worldview is fake is one of the worst developments of the post-2016 era.
Posted by shutterspeed
MS Gulf Coast
Member since May 2007
70440 posts
Posted on 5/6/25 at 10:47 pm to
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Yeah, cause that could never happen, right asshat?


Baw, you do realize that the feds administer the NAEP and not the local school district as in your article, right?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465012 posts
Posted on 5/6/25 at 10:48 pm to
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Baw, you do realize that the feds administer the NAEP and not the local school district as in your article, right?

He doubled down with his retarded take so the answer is clearly "No"
Posted by junkfunky
Member since Jan 2011
35700 posts
Posted on 5/6/25 at 10:50 pm to
Hell yeah, let the rabbits wear glasses. A renaissance in a couple decades would be awesome.
Posted by TigerGman
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Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 5/6/25 at 10:51 pm to
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Baw, you do realize that the feds administer the NAEP and not the local school district as in your article, right?


So are you trying to say the scumbag, liberal Fed Bureaucrats infesting the Education Dept are above DEI number's juggling?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465012 posts
Posted on 5/6/25 at 10:51 pm to
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So are you trying to say the scumbag, liberal Fed Bureaucrats infesting the Education Dept are above DEI number's juggling?


What's their motivation to pump up the scores of shitholes like MS and LA?
Posted by shutterspeed
MS Gulf Coast
Member since May 2007
70440 posts
Posted on 5/6/25 at 10:54 pm to
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So are you trying to say the scumbag, liberal Fed Bureaucrats infesting the Education Dept are above DEI number's juggling?


Bruh, they administer that test nationwide. Why would they cook the books for a Deep Red Southern state?
Posted by TigerGman
Center of the Universe
Member since Sep 2006
13391 posts
Posted on 5/6/25 at 10:55 pm to
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What's their motivation to pump up the scores of shitholes like MS and LA?


We'll they obviously pumped up yours decades ago--job security you idiot....
Posted by TigerGman
Center of the Universe
Member since Sep 2006
13391 posts
Posted on 5/6/25 at 10:58 pm to
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Bruh, they administer that test nationwide. Why would they cook the books for a Deep Red Southern state?


If decades of throwing away billions into the States show continued failure, they face Republican budgets cuts.

But I guess DEI educated failures like you & Slow Pro can't instantly grasp this obvious concept....
This post was edited on 5/6/25 at 11:03 pm
Posted by This GUN for HIRE
Member since May 2022
5508 posts
Posted on 5/6/25 at 11:08 pm to
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What's their motivation to pump up the scores of shitholes like MS and LA


What your motivation for sucking cock?
Posted by Bill Parker?
Member since Jan 2013
5195 posts
Posted on 5/6/25 at 11:21 pm to
Covid jacked up school districts in urban areas...as in stay at home and don't do jackshit for a couple of years. Rural school districts in the south actually attempted to do school despite the covid BS.

That's a death sentence for elementary age kids in a non existent school system who don't have parental support.

I've seen an elementary kid transfer from Baltimore to a southern school district that was not even on the kindergarten level. The principal of the Baltimore school was contacted about the kid's lack of performance, and she admitted that her school did nothing during covid.
Posted by LawyerBillboards
Member since Jun 2021
82 posts
Posted on 5/6/25 at 11:23 pm to
How exactly are they able to do an apples to apples comparison between states?

Louisiana has LEAP. Are Louisiana's tests truly equivalent to the national standardized tests and whatever tests they're doing in MS and WI? Are MS and WI students taking the same tests?

Do they approach them differently? Does one state have school funding or teacher pay tied to performance?

Does every kid in every school in all the states take the tests, or is it select in some states and not others?
Posted by LetzGeaux
Member since Feb 2017
314 posts
Posted on 5/6/25 at 11:28 pm to
Mississippi’s problems stem from Jackson and the delta. North Mississippi and the coast are both making major turnarounds. If they can clean up the center of the state Mississippi has plenty of room for growth.
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