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Judge Beryl Howell goes all in blocks another Trump EO - Perkins Coie

Posted on 5/3/25 at 8:08 am
Posted by Strannix
President Trump's America
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 5/3/25 at 8:08 am
Wow -

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Judge finds Trump executive order targeting Perkins Coie is unconstitutional




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Perkins Coie represented former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton during the 2016 election and hired a research firm that retained former British spy Christopher Steele, who produced the infamous "Steele Dossier."


You have to read this opinion, it could he a DU/Reddit melt post.

LINK

FYI Perkins worked with Russian intelligence assets to try and frame the president.
This post was edited on 5/3/25 at 8:13 am
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
78940 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 8:13 am to
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While four firms have sought to fight Mr. Trump's executive orders targeting them in court, at least nine others have reached agreements with the White House to avoid being penalized by the president. The deals, announced by Mr. Trump on social media, include commitments to provide between $40 million and $125 million in pro bono legal work.





So the Clinton’s lawyers hate poor people?

Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 5/3/25 at 8:21 am to
This is so ridiculously unconstitutional.
Posted by LSU2ALA
Member since Jul 2018
2053 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 8:25 am to
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This is so ridiculously unconstitutional.


Absolutely. This EO is clearly viewpoint discrimination and a violation of the First Amendment.
Posted by Hognutz
Member since Sep 2018
2103 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 8:27 am to
SCOTUS is gonna fix this any day now, right...
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
76524 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 8:30 am to

We don't have to follow judges who order the nation to commit suicide.
Posted by Wednesday
Member since Aug 2017
16505 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 8:30 am to
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"Using the powers of the federal government to target lawyers for their representation of clients and avowed progressive employment policies in an overt attempt to suppress and punish certain viewpoints, however, is contrary to the Constitution, which requires that the government respond to dissenting or unpopular speech or ideas with 'tolerance, not coercion,'" Howell wrote.


So rich. frick these lawyers. They’re lucky they still have licenses, much less Security Clearances.

Rudy Giuliani and John Eastman would like a word.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
107744 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 8:31 am to
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This is so ridiculously unconstitutional.


Absolutely. This EO is clearly viewpoint discrimination and a violation of the First Amendment.


So... you're retarded
Posted by TerryDawg03
The Deep South
Member since Dec 2012
17185 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 8:37 am to
Marc Elias of Perkins Coie (at the time, he has since left) also worked with Abrams’ nonprofit in Georgia and in several other swing states to change the mail in ballot rules for the 2020 election.

That law firm is crooked as hell.
This post was edited on 5/3/25 at 8:38 am
Posted by LSU2ALA
Member since Jul 2018
2053 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 8:43 am to
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So... you're retarded


No, I understand how the first amendment works. This is the federal government imposing a penalty on another party based on the viewpoint they held. That is unconstitutional any day. This is not even close.
Posted by Jbird
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Member since Oct 2012
77569 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 8:45 am to
The holding of a security clearance is a freedom of speech issue?
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
107744 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 8:50 am to
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No, I understand how the first amendment works. This is the federal government imposing a penalty on another party based on the viewpoint they held. That is unconstitutional any day. This is not even close.


Funny...

I don't see security clearance anywhere in the 1st Amendment.

In fact, there's no constitutional OR statutory right to one. It can be granted and revoked at the absolute whim of the executive.

Period.
Posted by prouddawg
Member since Sep 2024
4000 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 8:51 am to
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SCOTUS is gonna fix this any day now, right...


“No standing”
Posted by EZE Tiger Fan
Member since Jul 2004
54366 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 8:52 am to
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No, I understand how the first amendment works.


LOL retarded groomer alert.

LOLOL Muh Security Clearances is first amendment rights
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
450832 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 8:52 am to
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The holding of a security clearance is a freedom of speech issue?

If/when the government engages in discrimination based on viewpoints it becomes one.

Free Speech Center - Viewpoint Discrimination

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Viewpoint discrimination is a form of content discrimination particularly disfavored by the courts. When the government engages in content discrimination, it is restricting speech on a given subject matter. When it engages in viewpoint discrimination, it is singling out a particular opinion or perspective on that subject matter for treatment unlike that given to other viewpoints.

For example, if an ordinance banned all speech on the Iraq War, it would be a content-based regulation. But if the ordinance banned only speech that criticized the war, it would be a viewpoint-based regulation.

Because the government is essentially taking sides in a debate when it engages in viewpoint discrimination, the Supreme Court has held viewpoint-based restrictions to be especially offensive to the First Amendment. Such restrictions are treated as presumptively


Congress.gov article on it

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Content-based regulation of speech is generally subject to strict scrutiny and presumptively unconstitutional.1 The Supreme Court considers viewpoint-based regulation of speech to be an egregious form of content discrimination.2 A law3 is viewpoint-based when it regulates speech based on its specific motivating ideology or the speaker’s opinion or perspective.4 The following general principles have emerged from the Supreme Court’s decisions on viewpoint discrimination and the Free Speech Clause of the First Amendment.


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Second, the government generally may not compel a private party to espouse a particular viewpoint.11 This principle extends to compelled association12 and compelled subsidization of speech.13

Third, laws that do not single out a specific viewpoint on their face, but that were enacted for the purpose of suppressing an idea or message, or otherwise invite discriminatory enforcement, sometimes run afoul of the First Amendment as well.14
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
132730 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 8:53 am to
Why can’t the Trump WH pick and choose what law firms he wants to represent the WH?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
450832 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 8:53 am to
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I don't see security clearance anywhere in the 1st Amendment.

Don't be retarded
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
450832 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 8:54 am to
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Why can’t the Trump WH pick and choose what law firms he wants to represent the WH?


They why in that decision-making is the variable being analyzed.

There are certain justifications for action that are illegal, and many that are not.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
107744 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 8:55 am to
None of what you posted has anything to do with the security clearance issue.

The Executive has unfettered discretion in this regard. The granting, withholding and revoking of a clearance is by its nature discriminatory and arbitrary.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
132730 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 8:55 am to
So Trump is forced to hire SFP law firm if Judge Beryl Howell says so?
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