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Louisiana Teachers and Amendment 2
Posted on 3/28/25 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 3/28/25 at 2:08 pm
One of the things Amendment 2 does is take what has been an annual "stipend" of $2,000 per year for teacher, and makes it permanent. It does this paying off some retirement debt, which reduces the amounts local school districts need to pay into the retirement system to make up for shortfalls, freeing up money to make the $2,000 a permanent deal.
Right now, the state legislature must pass the $2,000 stipend on an annual basis.
Because this takes an unguaranteed stipend and turns it into a guarantee salary addition, both of the major LA teachers unions are in support of Amendment 2.
Despite some of the marketing out there, it's not really a "pay raise". It's more like the prevention of a potential pay cut.
In my experience, many public school teachers follow lock-step what the union tells them to do. So, I have been surprised to see a lot of teachers I know and know of, actively campaigning against passing Amendment 2.
When I ask them why... no one can give me a straight answer. Some say they don't trust Landry, or the amendment is too complex, or they don't like it being tied to other items.
I've told the teachers I Know that if this does not pass, it is possible they could have their pay cut by $2,000, and they don't seem to understand that.
Anyone else seeing the same?
Right now, the state legislature must pass the $2,000 stipend on an annual basis.
Because this takes an unguaranteed stipend and turns it into a guarantee salary addition, both of the major LA teachers unions are in support of Amendment 2.
Despite some of the marketing out there, it's not really a "pay raise". It's more like the prevention of a potential pay cut.
In my experience, many public school teachers follow lock-step what the union tells them to do. So, I have been surprised to see a lot of teachers I know and know of, actively campaigning against passing Amendment 2.
When I ask them why... no one can give me a straight answer. Some say they don't trust Landry, or the amendment is too complex, or they don't like it being tied to other items.
I've told the teachers I Know that if this does not pass, it is possible they could have their pay cut by $2,000, and they don't seem to understand that.
Anyone else seeing the same?
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Posted on 3/28/25 at 2:11 pm to LSUFanHouston
No, it says it COULD become permanent. Not that it will become permanent.
Saying that something COULD become permanent means it never will be in politicalspeak.
Saying that something COULD become permanent means it never will be in politicalspeak.
Posted on 3/28/25 at 2:37 pm to LSUFanHouston
The pay raise isn’t guaranteed. If some districts can’t pay it then those teachers will just have to do without until the state eventually reconfigures the school funding formula to add the cost. The once a year stipend was more of a guarantee than that happening. But, don’t worry…millions will readily be spent to make sure we have the for-profit prisons up and running.
Posted on 3/28/25 at 2:50 pm to iBack8569
It’s easy to bash on teachers. Holidays. Summer. What a dream job. They have it easy. Easier than the rest of us, working our 40 and going home.
I’m married to one. Public. St. Tammany. They haven’t had a raise in a LONG time. And while I’ve seen the, horrible, atrocious threads about teachers who are doing bad things, there are 1000 more who are doing the right thing. Pay em. I get raises. So should they.
I’m married to one. Public. St. Tammany. They haven’t had a raise in a LONG time. And while I’ve seen the, horrible, atrocious threads about teachers who are doing bad things, there are 1000 more who are doing the right thing. Pay em. I get raises. So should they.
Posted on 3/28/25 at 3:03 pm to iBack8569
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The once a year stipend was more of a guarantee than that happening
Complete bullshite
Once the income tax goes away, there will never be an "annual" bonus again
And if teachers vote this down, then there wont be a teacher raise for about 10 years. Because they will prove they arent serious people. And might be too ignorant to teach kids
Posted on 3/28/25 at 3:25 pm to LSUFanHouston
Amendment 2 is a cluster frick. The pay raise will be pushed down to the SB district, many of whom can't afford it to be permanent.
There are a lot of good things in 2 but they crammed some much in there like a pork riddled spending bill that it would be best to kill it and make them do these things individually.
There are a lot of good things in 2 but they crammed some much in there like a pork riddled spending bill that it would be best to kill it and make them do these things individually.
Posted on 3/28/25 at 3:49 pm to iBack8569
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The pay raise isn’t guaranteed. If some districts can’t pay it then those teachers will just have to do without until the state eventually reconfigures the school funding formula to add the cost.
My concern is this.
If this does not pass, Gov Huey P Landry will punish the teachers by removing the $2K supplement.
Posted on 3/28/25 at 4:02 pm to SoWhat
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Amendment 2 is a cluster frick. The pay raise will be pushed down to the SB district, many of whom can't afford it to be permanent.
Oh, sweet lord.
Yes, the school districts will have to pay for the raise, but the state is wiping $2 BILLION in pension debt off their books! That will create $200m annually in savings.
Posted on 3/28/25 at 4:05 pm to LSUFanHouston
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The pay raise isn’t guaranteed. If some districts can’t pay it then those teachers will just have to do without until the state eventually reconfigures the school funding formula to add the cost.
Where are you getting this from?
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My concern is this.
If this does not pass, Gov Huey P Landry will punish the teachers by removing the $2K supplement.
Good question. Related, if the amendment doesn't pass, how can the state afford the $200 million to renew the $2,000? There is no easy answer.
Posted on 3/28/25 at 4:30 pm to BigJim
$200M / 2K per person = 100,000 people
I doubt there are 100,000 teachers?
Support staff gets half. Depending on how many qualify, they could run out of money perhaps?
I doubt there are 100,000 teachers?
Support staff gets half. Depending on how many qualify, they could run out of money perhaps?
Posted on 3/28/25 at 4:43 pm to LSUFanHouston
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$200M / 2K per person = 100,000 people
I doubt there are 100,000 teachers?
Support staff gets half. Depending on how many qualify, they could run out of money perhaps?
The last few pay raises have basically cost $100m for each $1000 for teachers/$500 for support staff raise that has been given. That includes increased retirement costs. That's a pretty solid estimate.
However, there is some nuance. Here are the details. It costs $200m to make the $2000 permanent. This maneuver will save school districts about $208m. So, in aggregate, there is enough to cover the "raises." However, not all school districts will save enough to pay for the full $2000. It will be close, but some could only get enough savings to afford a $1800 increase. Other districts will have enough for the $2000 increase and some savings left over. It's only a handful of districts and still, pretty close to $2000.
And Landry has publicly stated he would make the school districts whole. Now, he may back down from that statement, but I doubt it. That would look horrible.
Posted on 3/28/25 at 4:58 pm to RobbBobb
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And if teachers vote this down, then there wont be a teacher raise for about 10 years.
You got that backwards. If it gets approved there won’t be another raise for years. Part of amendment 2 is severely restricting government spending, which completely takes teacher raises off the discussion table for the future.
Posted on 3/28/25 at 5:14 pm to iBack8569
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You got that backwards. If it gets approved there won’t be another raise for years. Part of amendment 2 is severely restricting government spending, which completely takes teacher raises off the discussion table for the future.
With respect to state spending, yes.
Local districts need to commit more local funds to teacher pay. Perhaps, just perhaps, by looking at their admin and central office staff. Or, if the citizens support it, increased local taxation.
Posted on 3/28/25 at 5:40 pm to RobbBobb
How are y'all voting on the amendments?
Posted on 3/29/25 at 4:28 pm to iBack8569
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You got that backwards
Really?
Wheres the money coming from? The local school boards? You just killed their ability to free up cash, because they are still required to pay off that $2B in debt
The state? Who just watched teachers kill their own pay raise? LoLoLoloLoL. You think any legislature is going to add to their budget a raise for people who said they didnt want one, in a statewide vote?
The fed? Who is in the process of restructuring payments to states as they cancel the Dept of Ed?
If the teachers vote this down, they are cooked for years to come
Posted on 3/29/25 at 7:15 pm to LSUFanHouston
If Amendment 2 passes, there is other current funding for programs such as band that would disappear.
Posted on 3/29/25 at 7:17 pm to RobbBobb
Sounds like you're too ignorant to realize what this amendment will really do to educational funding.
Posted on 3/29/25 at 7:44 pm to Matthew Foley
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They have it easy. Easier than the rest of us,.
That probably depends on where you teach.
Posted on 3/29/25 at 8:27 pm to LSUFanHouston
Teachers union - democrats
Amendment two - biggest part is a tax plan that democrats don’t like.
The hustler democrats are still convincing the teacher democrats to vote against it because bad republican landry wants it to pass.
Nuanced but not really. The unions will do as they are told and the power dems would rather screw Landry on every other part of the convoluted bill than to help a part of their base.
Plus a lot of centrists and even republicans are voting no because the bill got too much shite jammed into it. The teacher pay raise was only in it to be a shiny bait to get dems to vote yes. That’s it. Not sure what people are missing.
Amendment two - biggest part is a tax plan that democrats don’t like.
The hustler democrats are still convincing the teacher democrats to vote against it because bad republican landry wants it to pass.
Nuanced but not really. The unions will do as they are told and the power dems would rather screw Landry on every other part of the convoluted bill than to help a part of their base.
Plus a lot of centrists and even republicans are voting no because the bill got too much shite jammed into it. The teacher pay raise was only in it to be a shiny bait to get dems to vote yes. That’s it. Not sure what people are missing.
Posted on 3/29/25 at 8:41 pm to TigerSooner
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If Amendment 2 passes, there is other current funding for programs such as band that would disappear.
Where is this coming from???
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