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Alien Enemies Act does apply to Tren de Aragua

Posted on 3/28/25 at 11:13 am
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 3/28/25 at 11:13 am
Venezuela, a sovereign nation, did conduct a predatory invasion into the US.

Judge Boasberg can suck it.





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Former CIA officer Gary Berntsen, one of the most highly decorated intelligence veterans in recent U.S. history, has come forward to confirm that the Venezuelan criminal gang Tren de Aragua (TdA) has been deliberately deployed into the United States by the Venezuelan regime, with the express intent of destabilizing the country through sabotage and violence.

According to Berntsen, Tren de Aragua is no longer just a violent street gang. While they may wear the face of criminality, their core leadership and operational cells have undergone paramilitary training under the guidance of Venezuelan intelligence and military officials, aided in part by Cuban intelligence operatives and narco-terrorist networks throughout Latin America.

Quoting Berntsen, Miami Herald journalist Antonio Delgado wrote:

“The Venezuelan regime has assumed operational control of these guys [Tren de Aragua] and has trained 300 of them; they have given them paramilitary training, training them to fire weapons and how to conduct sabotage. They have given them all like a four- to six-week course. They put these 300 guys through that course, and then they were deploying them into the United States to 20 separate states.”

Berntsen explained that sabotage includes acts such as arson, and that recent patterns of mysterious industrial fires, wildfires, and urban blazes—notably in Los Angeles and other key areas—could plausibly be linked to these foreign-trained operatives.

“Many of these wildfires, industrial fires, the Los Angeles fires, taking advantage of wind and the local conditions, were started by arsonists. How many of them were paid or coerced by TdA or their surrogates?” Berntsen asked.

Even more disturbing than the operation itself is the claim that elements within the CIA have deliberately ignored or buried this intelligence. Berntsen revealed that two current CIA officials recently leaked false information to The New York Times, claiming there is no intelligence connecting Tren de Aragua to the Venezuelan government.

But Berntsen says otherwise—and he has proof.

“The CIA doesn’t have the information because they refused to look at it,” Berntsen said. “We tried to brief them about this three years ago, but they were directed by the Biden Administration to ignore it. And now those officials are trying to undermine President Trump.”

According to Berntsen, he has already shared intelligence and source material with “elements of the U.S. government,” showing deep and sustained relationships between Tren de Aragua, Venezuelan and Cuban intelligence services, and high-level narcoterrorist operations.
Posted by LSUROXS
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Posted on 3/28/25 at 11:15 am to
Homan:

Just give me the address to where I can deliver these shite birds!
Posted by EliasGrodin
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Posted on 3/28/25 at 11:19 am to
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Alien Enemies Act does apply to Tren de Aragua
For purposes of discussion, let's assume that this is true.

Can a US president just unilaterally grab any foreigner on US soil, claim that this person is a member of Tren de Aragua and deport that person?

In other words, does the Alien Enemies Act allow a president just grab Sven Olafsen off the street, wave a Tren de Aragua wand over him, and send Sven to a Salvadorn hellhole for the duration?
This post was edited on 3/28/25 at 11:20 am
Posted by SammyTiger
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Posted on 3/28/25 at 11:22 am to
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Can a US president just unilaterally grab any foreigner on US soil, claim that this person is a member of Tren de Aragua and deport that person?


if it applies he can grab any venezuelan.

It applies to nation not groups.

It also applies to anyone over 14 from that nation.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 3/28/25 at 11:22 am to

I would say there should be some rational reason to class them as TdA.

Like tattoos and known associates, etc.
Posted by VoxDawg
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Posted on 3/28/25 at 11:23 am to
We gonna talk about how Maduro alleges that TdA is an FBI/CIA creation?
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 3/28/25 at 11:24 am to

knock yourself out.


Posted by EliasGrodin
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Posted on 3/28/25 at 11:26 am to
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Can a US president just unilaterally grab any foreigner on US soil, claim that this person is a member of Tren de Aragua and deport that person?
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if it applies he can grab any venezuelan.

Has the Alien Enemies Act been amended since WW2?

Because my understanding is that it was used to justify the detention of American-born US citizens of Japanese, German and Italian descent during WW2. None of those persons was "from" Japan, Germany or Italy.
Posted by Chancellor
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Posted on 3/28/25 at 11:27 am to
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In other words, does the Alien Enemies Act allow a president just grab Sven Olafsen off the street, wave a Tren de Aragua wand over him, and send Sven to a Salvadorn hellhole for the duration?


No. BUT, if ol’ Sven is in our country illegally and has broken our laws and thumbed his nose at our sovereignty and laws, then Sven can get fricked. Whatever happens to Sven happens. Sven should stay his arse in Sweden where he won’t have to worry about it. If Sven has a problem with it, he can take it up with his government in Sweden or the warden in El Salvador.
This post was edited on 3/28/25 at 11:31 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/28/25 at 11:27 am to
This is why Due Process is important. If the amin can show this, do it in open court with evidence.
Posted by Longdriver98
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Posted on 3/28/25 at 11:27 am to
And I just read that 5 Democrat Senators are going down to GITMO to protest against Tren de Aragua being held there. Would be great if they weren't allowed to return.
Posted by ABearsFanNMS
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Posted on 3/28/25 at 11:30 am to
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Can a US president just unilaterally grab any foreigner on US soil, claim that this person is a member of Tren de Aragua and deport that person?

In other words, does the Alien Enemies Act allow a president just grab Sven Olafsen off the street, wave a Tren de Aragua wand over him, and send Sven to a Salvadorn hellhole for the duration?


No and that isn’t what is going on? You think that the DEA, ICE and a host of other federal and local agencies don’t have a dossier on these guys? Jesus Christ dude, this isn’t the Biden administration that makes up fake white suprematists boogie men.
Posted by ABearsFanNMS
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Posted on 3/28/25 at 11:31 am to
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This is why Due Process is important. If the amin can show this, do it in open court with evidence.


Due process for criminal illegal immigrants is done in immigration courts…..not Federal District Courts.
Posted by LSUROXS
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Posted on 3/28/25 at 11:31 am to
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Can a US president just unilaterally grab any foreigner on US soil, claim that this person is a member of Tren de Aragua and deport that person?


Law enforcement does this regularly. After reading your post, it's apparent that you know nothing about how law enforcement track gangs and terrorists in this country.
This post was edited on 3/28/25 at 11:38 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/28/25 at 11:31 am to
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You think that the DEA, ICE and a host of other federal and local agencies don’t have a dossier on these guys?


The Feds' Legal Arguments for These Deportations Are Laughably Weak

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But legal documents filed in federal court as part of the government's attempt to clarify the legal basis for those deportations seem to raise more questions than they answer—and indicate that some, if not many, of the deportees were not the threats that Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) claims they are.

In some cases, those individuals were deported simply for being in the same car or house as other suspects. In others, a Trump administration official admits that there is little specific evidence tying some deportees to any crime—and then, incredibly, argues that the lack of evidence should be taken as proof of criminality.

"The lack of a criminal record does not indicate they pose a limited threat," wrote Robert L. Cerna, an acting field office director for ICE, in a sworn affidavit filed in federal district court in Washington, D.C., on Monday night. Cerna goes on to write that "the lack of specific information about each individual actually highlights the risk they pose. It demonstrates that they are terrorists with regard to whom we lack a complete profile."

That's a laughably weak argument. Cerna is arguing that the Trump administration has the power to deport any immigrant suspected of having ties to the Tren de Aragua gang, even if the evidence is thin and never proven in any court.


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To be fair, the affidavit also contains enough details of crimes committed by Tren de Aragua gang members to conclude that at least some of those deported over the weekend probably got what they deserved. That doesn't excuse the rushed, unlawful process—if anything, it should only stress the importance of due process as a way to sort out the real threats from everyone else.

Instead, Cerna's affidavit paints the picture of a Trump administration and ICE management that were determined to deport as many people as possible, no matter how tenuous the connection to Tren de Aragua or any crime.

Near the end, Cerna notes that some of the suspects arrested and deported by ICE were simply caught up in the immigration dragnet because they happened to be near other of ICE's targets.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
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Posted on 3/28/25 at 11:31 am to
INCOMING!!!!!!

Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/28/25 at 11:32 am to
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Due process for criminal illegal immigrants is done in immigration courts…..not Federal District Courts.

Then the admin shouldn't force the issue into federal district courts.
Posted by Rza32
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Posted on 3/28/25 at 11:32 am to
Well that solves it. All these random X accts always know best.
Posted by VoxDawg
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Posted on 3/28/25 at 11:33 am to
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Correction- this might be the first gang activity not attributed to the CIA. Maduro says it was the FBI/DEA.

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This post was edited on 3/28/25 at 11:35 am
Posted by HeadCall
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Posted on 3/28/25 at 11:33 am to
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In some cases, those individuals were deported simply for being in the same car or house as other suspects.


Were they here illegally?

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