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Texas v. Becerra: 17 states incl LA want to abolish Section 504
Posted on 2/15/25 at 8:23 am
Posted on 2/15/25 at 8:23 am
Texas sued because it says it didn’t want to have to provide any accommodations for trans kids but instead of suing to remove the gender dysmorphia language from Section 504, it sued to eliminate Section 504 entirely. 504 plans provide accommodations for students with disabilities so they can learn in a regular classroom. Common accommodations are small group instruction and testing, and extended time for test taking.
This would do wonders for our standardized test scores. The race to the bottom continues.
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This would do wonders for our standardized test scores. The race to the bottom continues.
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Posted on 2/15/25 at 8:28 am to 4cubbies
Ahh yes, Texas, who gave us W and his no child left behind taking us down as a nation to the level of the LCD.
Posted on 2/15/25 at 8:36 am to 4cubbies
[quote]disabilities so they can learn in a regular classroom[/quot
If they have special needs why not have a special classroom for them?
If they can keep up with a regular class fine. But if you must slow the other students down for them, you are hurting 20 or 30 for 1.
If they have special needs why not have a special classroom for them?
If they can keep up with a regular class fine. But if you must slow the other students down for them, you are hurting 20 or 30 for 1.
Posted on 2/15/25 at 8:37 am to 4cubbies
The consequences of bad decisions.. this is why terrible positions akin to trans accommodations lead to unintended consequences that burden more students.. every action has a response, so good job backing these fools pushing an agenda at the expense of kids
This post was edited on 2/15/25 at 8:41 am
Posted on 2/15/25 at 8:40 am to 4cubbies
I'd be inclined to share your outrage if it weren't for the fact that the entire Prussian model is dying and all but certain to be radically transformed within the next couple of decades.
It no longer serves the purpose it was intended to serve. No kids learn useful skills, let alone the special needs ones.
It no longer serves the purpose it was intended to serve. No kids learn useful skills, let alone the special needs ones.
Posted on 2/15/25 at 8:42 am to 4cubbies
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504 plans provide accommodations for students with disabilities so they can learn in a regular classroom.
Even if they end up being succesfful, IEP plans would still exist. This is just nonsense fear-mongering on your part.
This post was edited on 2/15/25 at 4:17 pm
Posted on 2/15/25 at 8:43 am to 4cubbies
504 and mainstreaming have been a disaster
Posted on 2/15/25 at 8:44 am to 4cubbies
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Section 504 entirely. 504 plans provide accommodations for students with disabilities so they can learn in a regular classroom. Common accommodations are small group instruction and testing, and extended time for test taking.
It also allows for non verbal kids with anger management issues who punch their helper in front of normal kids when they go off the rails and disrupt learning for the entire group of kids with no issues.
My kid literally watched two female helpers hold one of these kids down while teacher ran to grab SRO.
You can be both sympathetic and against this practice.
Posted on 2/15/25 at 8:50 am to 4cubbies
My daughter is autistic and benefits from programs like this
She is in 8th grade and has “above average intelligence”; but is emotionally and socially on more of a 2nd or 3rd grade level
There are many children like her that truly need and must have “special accommodations” to even function in a school environment.
I will tell you that I have no problem with this being eliminated because what schools do is up to the states, not the federal government
I live in a large city hat has tremendous resources, but many areas don’t have that luxury — it’s a tough issue; especially for rural or depressed areas; so perhaps I’m being selfish as it won’t affect me so much…
I’d like to see some kind of assistance available; even if that means transportation to areas/schools that have a better ability to accommodate these kids; rather than force EVERY school to have a program
This is one of those things that needs to be looked at and reworked- we have heard that worthy initiatives will be preserved (or rewritten) - this is one area where we can see if that winds up being the case
lastly, I have ZERO interest in seeing accommodations for trans kids and it makes me angry that my child is lumped in with that group
She is in 8th grade and has “above average intelligence”; but is emotionally and socially on more of a 2nd or 3rd grade level
There are many children like her that truly need and must have “special accommodations” to even function in a school environment.
I will tell you that I have no problem with this being eliminated because what schools do is up to the states, not the federal government
I live in a large city hat has tremendous resources, but many areas don’t have that luxury — it’s a tough issue; especially for rural or depressed areas; so perhaps I’m being selfish as it won’t affect me so much…
I’d like to see some kind of assistance available; even if that means transportation to areas/schools that have a better ability to accommodate these kids; rather than force EVERY school to have a program
This is one of those things that needs to be looked at and reworked- we have heard that worthy initiatives will be preserved (or rewritten) - this is one area where we can see if that winds up being the case
lastly, I have ZERO interest in seeing accommodations for trans kids and it makes me angry that my child is lumped in with that group
This post was edited on 2/15/25 at 9:11 am
Posted on 2/15/25 at 8:52 am to 4cubbies
the points is that there shouldnt be a Federal Section that dictates anything to the states on Education. Its not something given to the Federal Govt in the Constitution. Each state should decide how they handle it.
Its not like accommodations would go away. Dont be obtuse.
Its not like accommodations would go away. Dont be obtuse.
Posted on 2/15/25 at 8:53 am to toratiger
quote:they do have that; but ONE of their biggest needs is socialization (ie, learning to cope with peers in a group environment)
If they have special needs why not have a special classroom for them?
has our Uber dependence on vaccines and medication exacerbated this issue?
Maybe, maybe even probably; but shoving these kids in a “special room “ all day would do more harm than good - they need to learn how to interact with others
This post was edited on 2/15/25 at 9:46 am
Posted on 2/15/25 at 8:57 am to Mr Sausage
quote:unfortunately, they would go away in many areas
Its not like accommodations would go away. Dont be obtuse.
the biggest issue that the truly needy kids have is that they are far more susceptible to abuse (bullying for one, but sexual abuse in particular) and MOST of the truly needy (think low functioning autistic or downs) are developmentally speech delayed; meaning they can’t communicate (or won’t) — I’m in favor of some kind of federal funding for programs that help develop and more importantly, protect these kids
This post was edited on 2/15/25 at 9:07 am
Posted on 2/15/25 at 9:09 am to toratiger
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If they have special needs why not have a special classroom for them?
You think a kid who needs 10 extra minutes to take a test should be a self-contained classroom with kids with extreme disabilities? Seriously?
Posted on 2/15/25 at 9:10 am to SlayTime
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It also allows for non verbal kids with anger management issues who punch their helper in front of normal kids when they go off the rails and disrupt learning for the entire group of kids with no issues.
Chances are that kid has an IEP, not a 504. There’s no way for you to know because oF HIPPA.
This post was edited on 2/15/25 at 9:11 am
Posted on 2/15/25 at 9:11 am to imjustafatkid
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Even if they end up beinf succesfful, IEP plans would still exist. This is just nonsense fear-mongering on your part.
If a child with a 504 qualified for an IEP, they would have an IEP instead of a 504.
Posted on 2/15/25 at 9:13 am to OBReb6
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I'd be inclined to share your outrage
I wouldn’t say I’m outraged. This is par for the course. The USA has never valued children.
Posted on 2/15/25 at 9:14 am to 4cubbies
Texas, a state with a DEI governor
Posted on 2/15/25 at 9:15 am to Stonehenge
Putting in work Stone! 
Posted on 2/15/25 at 9:16 am to Mr Sausage
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Its not like accommodations would go away. Dont be obtuse.
If you think states are suing to get rid of accommodations so they can continue to provide accommodations…
That’s an awful lot of taxpayer money to waste to keep the status quo, don’t you agree?
Posted on 2/15/25 at 9:16 am to 4cubbies
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I wouldn’t say I’m outraged. This is par for the course. The USA has never valued children.
The Prussian model does not value children, so in a way I agree with you, but I doubt it’s in the way you would like
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