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Do deficits matter? Does total US debt matter?
Posted on 2/13/25 at 8:24 pm
Posted on 2/13/25 at 8:24 pm
We have all heard some supposedly learned people claim US debt doesn't really matter as long as the USD is the world's reserve currency and the US is able to project its military might globally to protect US interests.
Do you think ^^^^ this is what most Americans believe?
I personally think deficits and debt ultimately do matter, even for the most powerful nation in the history of the world. I think history has a pretty good record of nations literally spending themselves into economic and financial collapse.
I think the US may be in an inescapable debt spiral that is accelerating due to the $1 trillion dollar cost annually of servicing the debt and that debt servicing is likely to exceed $1.25 trillion in 2026 unless severe austerity is enacted.
In 2007 total US debt was approximately $9 trillion and in 2025 total US debt is fast approaching $37 trillion. In less than 20 years the US has quadrupled its debt. It's projected by the OMB deficits will be $2 trillion in 2025 and by 2035 the US will have over $55 trillion of debt.
This^^^^ doesn't include total US unfunded liabilities, you throw that number in the mix and we're well north of $100 trillion.
Chew on this.
Totall US debt at the end of fiscal year 1971 was about $398 billion. This was a 35% debt-to-GDP ratio. In 1971 the median cost of a home was approximately $25k and the medan cost of an automobile was approximate $3700
As of September 2024, the US debt to GDP ratio was 123.1%. This means that the US government debt was 123.1% of the country's nominal GDP.....and the debt to GDP ratio is likely higher in February of 2025. In 2024 the median cost of a home was approximately $420k and the median cost of an automobile was approximately $50K
The median household income in 1971 was approximately $10k, the median household income in 2024 was approximately $82K.
The median cost of a home from 1971 to 2024 rose by a multiple of nearly 17. In that same period the median cost of an automobile rose by a multiple of nearly 14 and household income rose by a multiple of 8.
Can you see the problem?
I'll leave you with this.
In 1971 when the US dropped the gold standard the price of gold was $44/oz, 54 years later gold is approaching $3k/oz.
All of this ^^^^ tells us that deficits and debt do matter, unsustainable deficits and debt destroy the purchasing power of your hard earned money....... the Lords Of Easy Money understand all of this, they would rather you not pay attention.
Do you think ^^^^ this is what most Americans believe?
I personally think deficits and debt ultimately do matter, even for the most powerful nation in the history of the world. I think history has a pretty good record of nations literally spending themselves into economic and financial collapse.
I think the US may be in an inescapable debt spiral that is accelerating due to the $1 trillion dollar cost annually of servicing the debt and that debt servicing is likely to exceed $1.25 trillion in 2026 unless severe austerity is enacted.
In 2007 total US debt was approximately $9 trillion and in 2025 total US debt is fast approaching $37 trillion. In less than 20 years the US has quadrupled its debt. It's projected by the OMB deficits will be $2 trillion in 2025 and by 2035 the US will have over $55 trillion of debt.
This^^^^ doesn't include total US unfunded liabilities, you throw that number in the mix and we're well north of $100 trillion.
Chew on this.
Totall US debt at the end of fiscal year 1971 was about $398 billion. This was a 35% debt-to-GDP ratio. In 1971 the median cost of a home was approximately $25k and the medan cost of an automobile was approximate $3700
As of September 2024, the US debt to GDP ratio was 123.1%. This means that the US government debt was 123.1% of the country's nominal GDP.....and the debt to GDP ratio is likely higher in February of 2025. In 2024 the median cost of a home was approximately $420k and the median cost of an automobile was approximately $50K
The median household income in 1971 was approximately $10k, the median household income in 2024 was approximately $82K.
The median cost of a home from 1971 to 2024 rose by a multiple of nearly 17. In that same period the median cost of an automobile rose by a multiple of nearly 14 and household income rose by a multiple of 8.
Can you see the problem?
I'll leave you with this.
In 1971 when the US dropped the gold standard the price of gold was $44/oz, 54 years later gold is approaching $3k/oz.
All of this ^^^^ tells us that deficits and debt do matter, unsustainable deficits and debt destroy the purchasing power of your hard earned money....... the Lords Of Easy Money understand all of this, they would rather you not pay attention.
This post was edited on 2/13/25 at 8:47 pm
Posted on 2/13/25 at 8:26 pm to Bass Tiger
Sorry gonna look to our main man the god the premium human sloflopro to be educate us
Posted on 2/13/25 at 8:26 pm to Bass Tiger
If it didn’t matter we wouldn’t be paying interest on it.
We are to the tune of 30% of our tax revenue.
If it didn’t matter we wouldn’t have to pay taxes.
We are all still paying taxes.
Modern monetary theory is a lazy plot device to give a vague excuse to politicians to buy votes and launder kickbacks via bloated government spending.
We are to the tune of 30% of our tax revenue.
If it didn’t matter we wouldn’t have to pay taxes.
We are all still paying taxes.
Modern monetary theory is a lazy plot device to give a vague excuse to politicians to buy votes and launder kickbacks via bloated government spending.
Posted on 2/13/25 at 8:27 pm to Bass Tiger
Government spending is the hidden tax on everyone. The USA doesn’t have a revenue problem, we have a severe spending problem than can be curtailed if we have the will to do it.


Posted on 2/13/25 at 8:31 pm to Bass Tiger
I believe debt matters. It matters to your household. It matters to States as they cannot print money. But our Government and the Fed especially works on the theory of MMT. This theory will destroy this country if it hasn’t already.
Posted on 2/13/25 at 8:32 pm to Bass Tiger
Debt can be ok if it is strategic and provides a return on investment. It isn’t inherently bad if the debt leads to economic growth that exceeds the expenditures. However, debt to GDP going from 35% to 130+% is indicative of just how wreckless the spending has been and how little we’ve gained from it
Posted on 2/13/25 at 8:32 pm to CDawson
If a democrat is president, then it matters a lot and everything is too expensive to republicans.
If a republican is president, deficits and debt don’t matter.
Hope this helps.
If a republican is president, deficits and debt don’t matter.
Hope this helps.
Posted on 2/13/25 at 8:32 pm to Bass Tiger
quote:
Do deficits matter? Does total US debt matter?
Yes
Posted on 2/13/25 at 8:33 pm to Bass Tiger
Modern Monetary Theory is wrong. Austrian economics is right.
Posted on 2/13/25 at 8:37 pm to Auburn80
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Modern Monetary Theory is wrong. Austrian economics is right
If people knew about MMT it would blow their mind. Its Monopoly money.
Posted on 2/13/25 at 8:38 pm to Bass Tiger
quote:
Do deficits matter? Does total US debt matter?
Nope
Posted on 2/13/25 at 8:41 pm to Bass Tiger
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This^^^^ doesn't include total US unfunded liabilities
Congress can choose to end this with a vote.
Posted on 2/13/25 at 8:45 pm to The Pickwick
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Do deficits matter? Does total US debt matter?
Nope
I bet you're in the banking and finance biz.

Posted on 2/13/25 at 8:48 pm to Bass Tiger
To make matters worse, the US has run a trade deficit since circa 1970's. That means we need foreigners to hold our currency or our debt. If they lose faith in our debt or our currency, and start sending those dollars back home, we have a problem that the Federal reserve can't fix because our debt sodden economy can't tolerate high interest rates.
I saw some people commenting in the thread about Germany today, saying that Germany has to choose between social programs and military spending. Germany has a debt to GDP of 63%, half of ours. Germany runs a trade surplus and their central govt budget deficit is constrained by law. The German states have to run a balanced budget by law. They have financial flexibility because they can, if they choose, change those rules and spend more money without risking huge problems.
I saw some people commenting in the thread about Germany today, saying that Germany has to choose between social programs and military spending. Germany has a debt to GDP of 63%, half of ours. Germany runs a trade surplus and their central govt budget deficit is constrained by law. The German states have to run a balanced budget by law. They have financial flexibility because they can, if they choose, change those rules and spend more money without risking huge problems.
This post was edited on 2/13/25 at 9:22 pm
Posted on 2/13/25 at 8:51 pm to wdhalgren
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To make matters worse, the US has run a trade deficit since circa 1970. That means we need foreigners to hold our currency or our debt. If they lose faith in our debt or our currency, and start sending those dollars back home, we have a problem that the Federal reserve can't fix because our debt sodden economy can't tolerate high interest rates.
US had a nearly $1 trillion trade deficit in 2024.
Posted on 2/13/25 at 9:07 pm to aero1126
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If a democrat is president, then it matters a lot and everything is too expensive to republicans.
If a republican is president, deficits and debt don’t matter.
Hope this helps.
On the contrary, this^^^ is 100% Dim drivel.
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