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Analyzing the Mid-Air Collision Over the Potomac By Captain Steeeve
Posted on 1/31/25 at 2:40 pm
Posted on 1/31/25 at 2:40 pm
Here is a really good breakdown of the crash by a pilot that I haven't seen posted on here yet.
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Posted on 1/31/25 at 2:50 pm to JYD
why was the helo flying at twice its altitude?
Posted on 1/31/25 at 2:51 pm to winkchance
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why was the helo flying at twice its altitude?
Because the pilot fricked up. Probably by misidentifying which aircraft ATC alerted him to.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 2:52 pm to winkchance
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why was the helo flying at twice its altitude?
Posted on 1/31/25 at 3:19 pm to JYD
Thanks for posting this. Very clear and concise.
Prayers lifted for all involved.
Prayers lifted for all involved.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 3:30 pm to JYD
The voice accepting responsibility for visual speration was male. Is that normal for the one not doing the piloting to make that call? Or was he in fact doing the piloting, since he made the call? I know there are some pilots on here.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 3:33 pm to Indefatigable
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Because the pilot fricked up. Probably by misidentifying which aircraft ATC alerted him to.
I will continue to shoot down this lunacy. The aircraft that Blackhawk was said to have misidentified was at a higher altitude than the one it hit. How would misidentifying it make them go higher? This logic is flawed.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 3:36 pm to Rtowntiger
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How would misidentifying it make them go higher? This logic is flawed.
By seeing it and thinking it was the one ATC referred to. Or seeing other lights on towers or buildings and getting confused. I’m not getting why that is impossible to you.
It’s far, incredibly far, more likely than anything being intentional.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 3:41 pm to Indefatigable
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It’s far, incredibly far, more likely than anything being intentional.
No, it isn't. The helicopter flew straight into the plane. It wasn't like it hit it broad side and didn't see it coming. Shouldn't have been that high and turned late to get on a collision course. Also a military helicopter has freaking radar. Everyone just acting like this state-of-the-art helicopter didn't know a plane was heading right towards it, is just burying their head.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 3:41 pm to winkchance
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why was the helo flying at twice its altitude?
Maybe because pilot error is the cause of about 3/4 of all aviation accidents...
Why does this shite always get implied to be a conspiracy?
Posted on 1/31/25 at 3:43 pm to Rtowntiger
Seems more likely that you have no clue about the systems involved here.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 3:44 pm to PeleofAnalytics
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Maybe because pilot error is the cause of about 3/4 of all aviation accidents...
I’d imagine that in the US the number is closer to 99%
Posted on 1/31/25 at 3:45 pm to JYD
The more I see of this the more I stick to my original thought.
Blackhawk pilot fricked up.
Blackhawk pilot fricked up.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 3:45 pm to Indefatigable
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Seems more likely that you have no clue about the systems involved here.
Uh-huh. I guess we will see how it plays out.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 3:46 pm to Cornbeef
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The voice accepting responsibility for visual speration was male. Is that normal for the one not doing the piloting to make that call? Or was he in fact doing the piloting, since he made the call? I know there are some pilots on here.
Most of the time, one pilot is handling the radio COMMS and the other is actually flying the aircraft. I don't buy this theory. The CRJ was close to the same altitude as the Blackhawk. They were pretty much at their 12 o'clock. Those landing lights would be like a locamotive headlight shining right at them. Once the investigators put this into a simulator and run it, I think the "other aircraft" theories will get debunked.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 3:47 pm to Rtowntiger
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Everyone just acting like this state-of-the-art helicopter didn't know a plane was heading right towards it, is just burying their head.
So what was the plan? 3 military personnel wanted to kill some teenage figure skaters?
You sound retarded.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 3:48 pm to JYD
I really like Captain Steeeeve and it’s obvious he loves what he does. I’m on the fence about his analysis. It doesn’t account for the pilots being at the wrong altitude and off course.
When the ATC is seeing a crash alert, is there some other protocol that wasn’t followed here? Just asking “do you see it” and then basically shrugging your shoulders because the helicopter pilot is responsible for visual separation doesn’t seem right to me. How about something more explicit like do you see the plane you’re xxx feet from and about to crash into? According to Steve and everyone else that airspace belonged to the AA plane and if the helicopter is invading that space shouldn’t the ATC recognize that this is potentially catastrophic and be more emphatic about getting him/her out of it?
When the ATC is seeing a crash alert, is there some other protocol that wasn’t followed here? Just asking “do you see it” and then basically shrugging your shoulders because the helicopter pilot is responsible for visual separation doesn’t seem right to me. How about something more explicit like do you see the plane you’re xxx feet from and about to crash into? According to Steve and everyone else that airspace belonged to the AA plane and if the helicopter is invading that space shouldn’t the ATC recognize that this is potentially catastrophic and be more emphatic about getting him/her out of it?
This post was edited on 1/31/25 at 3:50 pm
Posted on 1/31/25 at 3:51 pm to Swoozie
ATC should have given the Helo a bit more urgency the second time he asked if they had the CRJ in sight. Maybe telling them that they are heading on the same course and at close altitude to each other. And add within one mile or something like that.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 3:53 pm to Ag Zwin
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why was the helo flying at twice its altitude?
The poster is saying that the helo is at twice the maximum altitude that he is permitted to be at. That corridor has a 200 feet ceiling and he was at 300’ at least.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 3:59 pm to AirbusDawg
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ATC should have given the Helo a bit more urgency the second time
If ATC had told him the traffic was 200 feet above him and 1/4 mile away the helicopter pilots have would have possibly realized his error. Normally they would say traffic is 1/4 mile out, at your 10 o’clock, at 500 feet descending. I probably have the phrasing wrong, but that’s what I normally got from ATC.
If the helo had been a fixed wing then I’d blame ATC for not reacting more to that dangerous situation, but a helicopter can just stop. Plus he might have been overloaded.
This post was edited on 1/31/25 at 4:04 pm
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