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Reeves> Hawk
Posted on 1/8/25 at 9:12 pm
Posted on 1/8/25 at 9:12 pm
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Posted on 1/8/25 at 9:25 pm to Islandboy777
I dont think you can really judge anybody with this coach. Look at Dyson
Posted on 1/8/25 at 9:30 pm to cornerstore
It’s not that hard to be better than Hawk. He’s one of the worst players I’ve ever seen. We need to decline his team option immediately or we’ll be spending assets to dump him in a year or two like we did Kira
Posted on 1/8/25 at 9:55 pm to cornerstore
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I dont think you can really judge anybody with this coach
God, I wish we could have Quinn Snyder….
Posted on 1/9/25 at 9:21 am to cornerstore
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I dont think you can really judge anybody with this coach. Look at Dyson
On the contrary that is a terrible example.
"Look at Dyson" is literally based off of dumb arse fans that are obsessed with offense and don't know ball.
Anyone with a pulse and a decent understanding of the game of b ball knew what Dyson was capable of. (Especially at his age).
Hawkins on the other hand has always been a shooter.... Not a rebounder, not a facilitator, not a defender, not even really a shot creator.
He's a one trick pony that I told y'all about as all the retards argued Dyson was the 1 trick pony and Hawk is some savior because he shoots 3's.
Our coach is bad and it is difficult to judge our talent but that average mouth breather's opinion doesn't just mean "he didn't show talent because fans said so".
This post was edited on 1/9/25 at 9:32 am
Posted on 1/9/25 at 9:33 am to Dantheman504
Wow you sound arrogant af. You're probably in the keep Willie and tank camp. Literally everything that is wrong with this sport and this organization. No heart, no passion. Get fricked.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 9:41 am to cornerstore
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Wow you sound arrogant af. You're probably in the keep Willie and tank camp. Literally everything that is wrong with this sport and this organization. No heart, no passion. Get fricked.
Hahahahaha
I'd rather people think I'm arrogant pointing out how stupid they are > those people thinking they are actually making good points
If my friend is acting like a pussy or an idiot I'm going to tell him...not smile and justify it like a sheep.
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No heart, no passion. Get fricked
I'm one of few people who actually care enough about this team to think about the roster and team 3 or 4+ years down the road.
You sound like a pussy who wants simple gratification and struggles with accepting a bad situation. And worst of all you showed an emotional response with your "you'd rather lose and prepare for the future than win a few games to make yourself feel better"
We aren't winning a championship. I'd lose every game this year and trade every player if it wins us a championship in a few years.
You are one of the mouth breathers I mentioned.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 9:47 am to cornerstore
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Wow you sound arrogant af.
And that whole post wasn't dedicated to you buddy. If you actually knew what I was talking about and followed along then you wouldn't have responded like it was some emotional attack on you.
More evidence as to the simplistic mind set of our fan base.
All the people do on here is say stupid shite and then argue that stupid shite and then call people "mean" and "arrogant" when they are wrong.
Not once did your brain try to process the words said just an immediate emotional response
Posted on 1/9/25 at 9:58 am to cornerstore
I'd rather someone know they are wrong and think I'm an a-hole > them acting delusional and think I'm an angel.
I'm not here to be your friend, I'm here to talk about Pelicans and their future.
I'm really not thinking about someone's emotions when I tell them their opinion is fricking stupid. Because their emotions have NOTHING to do with the Pelicans.
But If you are capable of taking criticism then I'm really not a bad guy.
I'm not here to be your friend, I'm here to talk about Pelicans and their future.
I'm really not thinking about someone's emotions when I tell them their opinion is fricking stupid. Because their emotions have NOTHING to do with the Pelicans.
But If you are capable of taking criticism then I'm really not a bad guy.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 9:59 am to Balsamic_duck
What a ridiculous thread.
Hawkins is dealing with back problems. If you don't think that is affecting the shooting of a guy who shot 37% from 3 as a rookie, and shot 39% in college the year before, then i don't know what to tell you.
The kid didn't forget how to shoot.
Health and a competent coach will have him back to being an elite 3 point shooter.
25% of the 3's he takes are with a man in his face, and he makes those around 30%.
He's shooting 40% on wide open looks, which make up for 33% of his 3's.
He's at 36% on C&S 3's, which are 70% of his 3's attempted. 20% shooting on pull ups.
Last year he was 39% on C&S, and 28% on pull ups. Stop taking pull up 3's.
He's taking more 3's this year, b/c he's taking more pull ups. This is what I warned about with Willie's stupid arse we need to shoot 40 3's a night crap. No, you don't NEED to shoot 40 3's a night if they aren't there. Forcing up 3's that aren't good percentage shots isn't the way to win. This was very apparent to me in the preseason and it's no different in the regular season. If you get to 40 3's naturally b/c you're penetrating and kicking out for open C&S 3's, then that's good. If you get to 40 b/c guys are taking more pull ups, that's stupid.
and one thing Hawkins provides is gravity as a shooter. You see that 25% of his shots are with a man in his face, and that was the same for last year. Teams don't leave him open, and chase him around the court. Less than 5% of Trey's shots are with a defender near by the last 2 years. Trey and Hawk are two different types of 3 point shooters b/c of how quick Hawk's release is. Hawks type of shooting draws the attention of the defense, and that's a great skill to have coming off the bench.
We are taking 34.6 3's this year. 32% of them are pull ups that we hit at 26%. We are at 38% on C&S 3's.
Last year we took 32.6 3's. 21% of them were pull ups, and we actually hit them at 38%. 39% on C&S 3's. We were 4th in the league in 3P% last year, and now we are 4th to last. Yeah Zion makes a big difference with that, but you just see much poorer shot selection this year compared to last.
Hawkins is dealing with back problems. If you don't think that is affecting the shooting of a guy who shot 37% from 3 as a rookie, and shot 39% in college the year before, then i don't know what to tell you.
The kid didn't forget how to shoot.
Health and a competent coach will have him back to being an elite 3 point shooter.
25% of the 3's he takes are with a man in his face, and he makes those around 30%.
He's shooting 40% on wide open looks, which make up for 33% of his 3's.
He's at 36% on C&S 3's, which are 70% of his 3's attempted. 20% shooting on pull ups.
Last year he was 39% on C&S, and 28% on pull ups. Stop taking pull up 3's.
He's taking more 3's this year, b/c he's taking more pull ups. This is what I warned about with Willie's stupid arse we need to shoot 40 3's a night crap. No, you don't NEED to shoot 40 3's a night if they aren't there. Forcing up 3's that aren't good percentage shots isn't the way to win. This was very apparent to me in the preseason and it's no different in the regular season. If you get to 40 3's naturally b/c you're penetrating and kicking out for open C&S 3's, then that's good. If you get to 40 b/c guys are taking more pull ups, that's stupid.
and one thing Hawkins provides is gravity as a shooter. You see that 25% of his shots are with a man in his face, and that was the same for last year. Teams don't leave him open, and chase him around the court. Less than 5% of Trey's shots are with a defender near by the last 2 years. Trey and Hawk are two different types of 3 point shooters b/c of how quick Hawk's release is. Hawks type of shooting draws the attention of the defense, and that's a great skill to have coming off the bench.
We are taking 34.6 3's this year. 32% of them are pull ups that we hit at 26%. We are at 38% on C&S 3's.
Last year we took 32.6 3's. 21% of them were pull ups, and we actually hit them at 38%. 39% on C&S 3's. We were 4th in the league in 3P% last year, and now we are 4th to last. Yeah Zion makes a big difference with that, but you just see much poorer shot selection this year compared to last.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 10:00 am to Dantheman504
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ou sound like a pussy who wants simple gratification and struggles with accepting a bad situation.
I want dawgs on my team. People who care. Tanking is for pussies. The fact that we got rid of all of our dawgs in the offseason to keep these soft $40 mill bitches pisses me tf off. You piss me tf off - you're basically the BI of posters.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 10:06 am to TeddyPadillac
I agree , Hawk will be back . People have short memories and forget the rampage he was on to start the year .
Also second year blues is a thing , people forget herb was terrible in his second year and everyone was asking Thame questions , calls for him to be benched .
Hawk will be fine . Idk why his playing atm he should just rest up , cos his poor shooting must be killing his confidence
Also second year blues is a thing , people forget herb was terrible in his second year and everyone was asking Thame questions , calls for him to be benched .
Hawk will be fine . Idk why his playing atm he should just rest up , cos his poor shooting must be killing his confidence
Posted on 1/9/25 at 10:08 am to cornerstore
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want dawgs on my team. People who care. Tanking is for pussies.
"I want dawgs on my team"
"I'd also rather the #20 pick in the draft > the #1 pick"
My points proven over and over and over. Fans saying emotional things that don't make sense but yet are "pissed off" because people tell them.
I too want dawgs and to get rid of our soft players. But we do that by getting a better draft pick... Other than that your point is irrelevant in regards to how we play this year.
I love when people call me arrogant on here because 99% of the time it is usually after I call them stupid or prove them wrong and NOT when I'm actually being arrogant. Some people on here would really struggle with actual arrogant assholes.
This post was edited on 1/9/25 at 10:19 am
Posted on 1/9/25 at 10:20 am to Dantheman504
I see it more with Saints fans than Pels fans but there is a significant portion of the fanbase that is completly short sighted.
They'd rather win against the Giants so they can celebrate than see that every meaningless win pushes the team further from actual meaningful ones.
I don't get it but it is what it is.
They'd rather win against the Giants so they can celebrate than see that every meaningless win pushes the team further from actual meaningful ones.
I don't get it but it is what it is.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 10:41 am to ghost2most
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significant portion of the fanbase that is completly short sighted.
I get it and I could explain the psychology but more people would get upset.
I'd compare it to a toxic relationship where both partners need growth on their own. You might think she's "good" for you but in reality the relationship has peaked and you are no longer in a growing state. You might think things are good and comfortable but its only because you have put your own limitations on the situation.
Your happiness is limited, your expectations are limited, your emotional response is heightened as you try to grab on to small wins to justify.
Theres nothing to justify if you let go. Instead of limited expectations you now have both no expectations and limitless expectations. A clear mind with an open path.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 10:52 am to cornerstore
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I dont think you can really judge anybody with this coach. Look at Dyson
Dyson is the same player as he was last season, just playing more minutes and taking more than 2x the shot attempts because he went to a weaker roster and is playing with Trae.
This post was edited on 1/9/25 at 10:58 am
Posted on 1/9/25 at 10:57 am to TeddyPadillac
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Hawkins is dealing with back problems. If you don't think that is affecting the shooting of a guy who shot 37% from 3 as a rookie, and shot 39% in college the year before, then i don't know what to tell you. The kid didn't forget how to shoot. Health and a competent coach will have him back to being an elite 3 point shooter.
The problem that everyone pointed out when drafting Hawk is that he appears to be just a shooter. Because he only provides spacing, when his shot isn’t falling, he’s a bad player.
Adding a chronic back injury to that archetype kills his value.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 11:06 am to NOFOX
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The problem that everyone pointed out when drafting Hawk is that he appears to be just a shooter. Because he only provides spacing, when his shot isn’t falling, he’s a bad player.
I don't disagree, and what is wrong with just being a shooter?
What are the expectations of Hawkins? to be a starter, or to be a guy who comes off the bench and fires away 6 threes a game and can occasionally catch fire and score 25+, but more often than not will give you 10-12 points a night and give you a couple of duds.
He's a bench role player for a reason and there's nothing wrong with that, and he's still finding how to play and score in the NBA in that role. It's idiotic to say we should be giving up on him right now, a 2nd year role player coached by a moron playing on one of the worst teams in the league that has clearly given up on giving a shite.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 11:23 am to TeddyPadillac
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He's a bench role player for a reason and there's nothing wrong with that, and he's still finding how to play and score in the NBA in that role. It's idiotic to say we should be giving up on him right now
I agree with all of this. I don't think we should "give up" on Hawk but if we can "improve" or "replace" him then yeah you do it.
If he truly peaks as a bench role player then there is no reason to "hold onto him" unless he's going to help win a championship.
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What are the expectations of Hawkins? to be a starter, or to be a guy who comes off the bench and fires away 6 threes a game and can occasionally catch fire and score 25+, but more often than not will give you 10-12 points a night and give you a couple of duds
The issue here is that Hawk could score 20-25pts a night and still end up with a negative +/- because he is so bad at everything else.
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If he will truly peaks as a bench role player then there is no reason to "hold onto him" unless he's going to help win a championship.
Now think about him peaking as a bench role player that is also unplayable every other game. I just don't see Hawk as an important key player while building a contender.
He's not someone to give up on but also definitely not someone to rely on or wait out.
This post was edited on 1/9/25 at 11:24 am
Posted on 1/9/25 at 11:30 am to TeddyPadillac
Hawk is the guy with the limited ceiling, not Dyson.
And the only counter argument last year would have been that Dyson has the lower floor.
That is no longer the case.
shite in regards to the thread title Reeves in a way does have a higher ceiling than Hawk. Considering that ceiling is "a guy who can have a good night and still be a negative player".
And the only counter argument last year would have been that Dyson has the lower floor.
That is no longer the case.
shite in regards to the thread title Reeves in a way does have a higher ceiling than Hawk. Considering that ceiling is "a guy who can have a good night and still be a negative player".
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