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Doesn’t Cooper Flagg play
Posted on 1/8/25 at 8:25 pm
Posted on 1/8/25 at 8:25 pm
Same position as Zion?
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Posted on 1/8/25 at 8:26 pm to Tigeralltheway
You can play him anywhere from the 2-4. He's extremely versatile.
Posted on 1/8/25 at 8:32 pm to Tigeralltheway
Good, we need to upgrade.
Posted on 1/8/25 at 9:09 pm to supe12sta12z
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You can play him anywhere from the 2-4. He's extremely versatile.
No you can't. He can't play SG. He's a future big. Zion should be a wing. They shouldn't play together unless one, or both, is shooting 6+ 3s a game.
Posted on 1/8/25 at 9:12 pm to brmark70816
You don't know what you're talking about.
Posted on 1/8/25 at 10:48 pm to Tigeralltheway
Even if he did you draft best player available in the nba. Drafting for need is dumb af.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 7:29 am to supe12sta12z
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You don't know what you're talking about.
You would play Flagg or Zion at SG?
Posted on 1/9/25 at 8:15 am to brmark70816
I’m not making any team building decisions based on Zion.
Build up his value and trade him to the highest bidder
Build up his value and trade him to the highest bidder
Posted on 1/9/25 at 8:41 am to Tigeralltheway
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Same position as Zion?
Cooper can guard a lot of different positions and is a connective piece on offense. Zion guards wings and is primarily a point forward. Think of Cooper as Herb with more versatility and upside.
It’s not about positions though. The biggest complication is the spacing. Zion-Missi do not shoot any 3’s. Herb takes ~3.5 open C&S corner 3’s per game. Cooper is the same in that he’s taken ~3.5 3PA.
~7 3PA for 110+ minutes per game of future lineups would make winning pretty tough.
If we get Cooper, it would make a lot of sense to sell high on Herb.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 9:21 am to NOFOX
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Cooper can guard a lot of different positions and is a connective piece on offense. Zion guards wings and is primarily a point forward. Think of Cooper as Herb with more versatility and upside.
The guy said Flagg can play 2-4. I said he can't, cause he can't play the 2 or SG. He's too slow and honestly going to be way too big. I never said he couldn't play with Zion (who probably won't be here anyway). I just said that one or both would need to shoot more 3s. You pretty much supported that point with your post..
Posted on 1/9/25 at 9:22 am to brmark70816
Yeah I definitely don't see him as a 2 at all. Maybe he could guard some 2s but he is more of a 3-4, and he might even be a guy that can play small ball 5.
Early in the season he was not shooting the 3 well, not sure what it looks like now
Early in the season he was not shooting the 3 well, not sure what it looks like now
Posted on 1/9/25 at 10:04 am to Fun Bunch
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Yeah I definitely don't see him as a 2 at all. Maybe he could guard some 2s but he is more of a 3-4, and he might even be a guy that can play small ball 5.
Early in the season he was not shooting the 3 well, not sure what it looks like now
I mean Durant came into the league sub 200lbs. They tried to play him at SG and he was not good. He took off when he was moved to the wing. As he's kind of filled out, he's looked at more as a 4 now. That's how players normally mature, is up as they grow. Flagg is going to get bigger and stronger. It would be a waste to having him try to check smaller, faster guards. Zion looked good in his return, but Edwards was eating him up. I'd imagine it'd be much worse watching Flagg trying to guard him..
Posted on 1/9/25 at 10:10 am to brmark70816
Wrong. He routinely guards out to the perimeter and that includes wings and shooting guards. He has no issues there. He's a defensive savant for a reason. He plays like a oversized wing/guard with some post offense in there. He can handle the ball, un actions, facilitate, and create on ball offense on the perimeter as well as space and relocate offball. Again no issues at the 2. He's also shooting 51%/50%/86% in the last 5 games.
You sound like a guy who haven't watched him and making up stupid shite. He's 6'9 205. What he position he primarily plays is not yet known due to his versatility but I expect him to play 2-4 while he's developing especially when the wing position is generally interchangeable and you can fit him into a bunch of lineups.
You sound like a guy who haven't watched him and making up stupid shite. He's 6'9 205. What he position he primarily plays is not yet known due to his versatility but I expect him to play 2-4 while he's developing especially when the wing position is generally interchangeable and you can fit him into a bunch of lineups.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 10:40 am to supe12sta12z
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You sound like a guy who haven't watched him and making up stupid shite. He's 6'9 205. What he position he primarily plays is not yet known due to his versatility but I expect him to play 2-4 while he's developing especially when the wing position is generally interchangeable and you can fit him into a bunch of lineups.
Awesome. Name all of the top level 6'9+ guards in the league.
We can play all the "positionless" games you want. But when you are the 2nd biggest guy on the court, you are still considered a big. Slots still matter, as do positions. Teams are built in levels, even if it's murkier now.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 10:56 am to brmark70816
Leave it bmark to create some arbitrary cut off line. The combination of auxiliary skillset tends to be rare in really tall guys so ofcourse it's not going to be common to see. But you've seen it with Wagner and even Ben Simmons before his back injury. Our very own Trey Murphys floats from 2-4 depending on the lineup. There's plenty of examples of oversized wings playing at the two. But you seem think that 1 inch is going to make a difference when in reality it's about ability and he has the ability to on both sides of the ball. Your reasoning is completely stupid.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 11:23 am to supe12sta12z
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The combination of auxiliary skillset tends to be rare in really tall guys so ofcourse it's not going to be common to see.
Isn't that convenient. He's too special to compare to others.
No same GM is going to take him, then say, I'm going to play him as a SG. Also, he's never going to be the 2nd smallest guy on the court for his team. They aren't play 3 7footers along with him. So it's a moot point.
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But you seem think that 1 inch is going to make a difference when in reality it's about ability and he has the ability to on both sides of the ball. Your reasoning is completely stupid
What's wrong with him being a really great big, that has versatility? Why would he have to play multiple roles, instead of just dominating one?
Posted on 1/9/25 at 11:27 am to brmark70816
Again, you seem be stuck in the SG position when all I said from the start was that he can play any of the 2-4 positions and play it well, will likely play them all early on while he develops, and has the versatility to be in a lot of different lineups.
Your argument gets dumber with each post.
Your argument gets dumber with each post.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 1:33 pm to supe12sta12z
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you seem be stuck in the SG position
That's what we are debating about... you see, I didn't cuss or call you a name. That's a mature response.
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all I said from the start was that he can play any of the 2-4 positions and play it well
That means full time. By your statement (above), you believe he can be a full time SG, "and play it well". I don't know how you walk it back and say it again in the same sentence.
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and has the versatility to be in a lot of different lineups.
The whole point of the OP, is where do you play him. That's what he's asking and why he spoke about Zion specifically. How would they fit together? Especially when you factor in our other players.
It's a valid question and concern. I don't think Zion would still be here, but if he is I don't know what the lineup would be. Starting Flagg or Murphy at SG doesn't seem like a good solution though..
Posted on 1/9/25 at 1:43 pm to brmark70816
It's pretty simple. You just cant comprehend what I said ovwr abd over again. I'll say it again one last time and be done with it. Cooper has the versatility to play 2-4 and for some reason, you think that I am saying that he will he drafted to play the 2 exclusively or primarily. I'm not.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 1:46 pm to supe12sta12z
Well that just has to be it then. I guess you took your ball and went home..
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