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Things more irrelevant than college bowls.

Posted on 12/2/24 at 10:45 am
Posted by BluegrassCardinal
Kentucky
Member since Nov 2022
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Posted on 12/2/24 at 10:45 am
Their time has come and gone. It's playoffs or bust now. Nobody really cares about bowls, most of the star players opt out, others hit the transfer portal.

With that in mind, I would suggest that bowl season has about as much relevancy as MLB exhibition games in the Spring, and the NFL in August.

When will the current system collapse?
Posted by Tigertown in ATL
Georgia foothills
Member since Sep 2009
30111 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 10:47 am to
Louisville football?
Posted by BluegrassCardinal
Kentucky
Member since Nov 2022
1199 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 10:48 am to
They finished 8-4 and did the most Jeff Brohm thing ever and lose to Stanford after thumping Clemson at their own stadium.

Guess it could be worse?
This post was edited on 12/2/24 at 10:51 am
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
34743 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 10:49 am to
As a fan who has been to see his team play in the CFP I still love the bowls and think they are big for player development.

Players get to have a fun free trip and get some gear.

Coaches get to get a look at some things and tinker with some things to build on going into the next year.

If you have unseasoned back ups that need to step into starters roles it’s a great thing.
Posted by WG_Dawg
Member since Jun 2004
88696 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 10:54 am to
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It's playoffs or bust now. Nobody really cares about bowls, most of the star players opt out, others hit the transfer portal.


this is 100% manufactured by ESPN and the national media telling you that nobody cares. It's a self fulfilling prophecy.

Pre-1998 you had a couple differnet bowl games where the winner could concevaibly be cornwd national champ. Everyone still took great pride in winning their other bowl games though.

1998-2013 there were literally only 2 teams, those playing in the designated national title game, that had a chance to be champion. There was still a shitton of pride in winning a sugar bowl or orange bowl or any other bowl. It still meant something and there weren't opt outs.

Even in 2014 when we had a playoff system, you could easily say "well only those final 4 teams matter and nothing else does" but that wasn't really the case. It was STILL a big deal to win a big boy bowl game and all the pride and everythign else that came with it.

But then ESPN kept playing up this narrative that only the playoffs matter. You could tune in to a game in September and the talkin heads would only be talking about who's making the playoffs. We had a show every week talking about playoff rankings. The playoffs were the only thing any media member or website or message board talked about. So then...once a team didn't make the playoffs their spoiled entitled players quit (not opted out- quit) and took their ball and went home. And it's only gottne worse from there.

If the college football loving fanbase in general woulnd't just mindlessly lap up whatever ESPN tells them to, the bowls would still be really great.
Posted by ChipKelly
Chandler, Arizona
Member since Jan 2018
215 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 10:55 am to
I love the bowl games. No matter how "meaningless" they are to some, the smaller programs that are excited to be bowl eligible play really hard in those games. Fun to watch over the holidays.
Posted by Tigertown in ATL
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30111 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 10:57 am to
Just a wee joke. No mean intent.
Posted by SportsGuyNOLA
New Orleans, LA
Member since May 2014
20087 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 10:59 am to
The bowls games have to go.

Start with the ones that have 6-6 Big 12 and ACC teams playing 7-5 AAC and Mountain West teams

8 wins should be the minimum requirement for everyone to play in a bowl
Posted by Bench McElroy
Member since Nov 2009
34658 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 11:02 am to
Up until the mid-90s, there were only 18 bowl games. It used to be a privilege to play in a bowl game because your team had to be really good to get there. Now, there's 42 bowl games with 6-6 teams from the Sunbelt making it. They need to get rid of all these useless bowl games that nobody cares about.
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
25066 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 11:03 am to
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If the college football loving fanbase in general woulnd't just mindlessly lap up whatever ESPN tells them to, the bowls would still be really great.


Bingo.

But Americans don't think for themselves anymore. Just look at how many will repost on Facebook or Tweeter some fake bot "news" article.
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
34743 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 11:05 am to
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Even in 2014 when we had a playoff system, you could easily say "well only those final 4 teams matter and nothing else does" but that wasn't really the case. It was STILL a big deal to win a big boy bowl game and all the pride and everythign else that came with it. But then ESPN kept playing up this narrative that only the playoffs matter. You could tune in to a game in September and the talkin heads would only be talking about who's making the playoffs. We had a show every week talking about playoff rankings. The playoffs were the only thing any media member or website or message board talked about. So then...once a team didn't make the playoffs their spoiled entitled players quit (not opted out- quit) and took their ball and went home. And it's only gottne worse from there. If the college football loving fanbase in general woulnd't just mindlessly lap up whatever ESPN tells them to, the bowls would still be really great.





Here’s an interesting thing with the advent of the 12 team playoff.


Obviously you always choose playoff over a bowl.

But near term (1-2 years) which is better for say Alabama?


Go to the playoff and play Ohio state (current college football news projection) and get beat potentially by a substantial margin?


Or go to the citrus bowl, potentially have milroe opt out for draft/portal and start developing the heir.



You can never turn down the chance to win a championship but sometimes the alternative may end up being the better thing.


With the four team the teams were as a general rule legit contenders and elite.

With 12 a team like Alabama by their standards is mediocre but simultaneously aren’t able to punt on it and start the rebuild
This post was edited on 12/2/24 at 11:10 am
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
34743 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 11:07 am to
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The bowls games have to go.



Why?
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
32153 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 11:19 am to
quote:

this is 100% manufactured by ESPN and the national media telling you that nobody cares.


Wrong.

It's people shedding the fog of nostalgia and "tradition" to accept what they have long been...glorified exhibition games.

Now, they used to have more meaning when (on many occasions) the results were factored into the vote for the National Championship. But, with the push to have championships determined "on the field" in a championship game...which is what literally every other sport has done forever, people and players began to fully realize the stakes of the bowl games were virtually non-existent outside of pride.

The only reason the bowl games carried so much meaning was because there was literally no other option in terms of postseason success. College football fans didn't know any different. Thus, fans were conditioned that winning the Rose Bowl, or Sugar Bowl, or whatever was a HUGE deal when, in reality, the only difference between a win and a loss was a trophy and t-shirt. For both teams that was the end of the season. A win didn't advance you further towards a championship. Again, there is a reason no other major sport has a "postseason" with games that don't advance to anything.

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nce a team didn't make the playoffs their spoiled entitled players quit (not opted out- quit) and took their ball and went home.


You mean the guys who actually had to practice for 3 more weeks after a long, grueling season, for a game win or lose did nothing but end their season? Guys who may want to think about their future a possible professional athletes?

Sounds more like a sense of entitlement from fans: "Hey Javon. I know you are physically beat to shite and have been playing through pain for 2.5 months. But I'm going to need you to suck it up and get ready for the Peach Bowl. No, a win is not going to make you the National Champion. But dammit, it's important to me! I want to see "my" team beat the No. 6 team. I don't care that you are tired, need a break, and don't want to risk a negative impact on your dreams of being a pro football player. I'm having people over to my house on New Year's Eve"!!!


If next year the NFL made the teams that didn't reach the playoffs go play one-off games in random locations where the winner doesn't advance anywhere EVERYONE on here would say how ridiculous an idea that was and be 100% behind the players for thinking the same thing. That would be the case in the NBA, MLB, college basketball, baseball, etc. Yet, somehow college football is supposed to be different because of....tradition.


This post was edited on 12/2/24 at 11:24 am
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
34743 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 11:23 am to
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You mean the guys who actually had to practice for 3 more weeks after a long, grueling season, for a game win or lose did nothing but end their season? Guys who may want to think about their future a possible professional athletes? Sounds more like a sense of entitlement from fans: "Hey Javon. I know you are physically beat to shite and have been playing through pain for 2.5 months. But I'm going to need you to suck it up and get ready for the Peach Bowl. No, a win is not going to make you the National Champion. But dammit, it's important to me! I want to see "my" team beat the No. 6 team. I don't care that you are tired, need a break, and don't want to risk a negative impact on your dreams of being a pro football player. I'm having people over to my house on New Year's Eve"!!!




I mean they asked to get paid.



If I don’t show up for my job because “I’m tired” or because I’m thinking about leaving my current job I get fired
Posted by VABuckeye
NOVA
Member since Dec 2007
37648 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 11:25 am to
The thing you are missing and it is a big thing is this.

Bowls mean 15 extra practices and that means more development for the younger players. It's invaluable practice time you can't get back.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
32153 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 11:27 am to
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I mean they asked to get paid.



If I don’t show up for my job because “I’m tired” or because I’m thinking about leaving my current job I get fired


They aren't employees. They don't have an employment contract. None of their payments are tied to them playing. If the school/coaches think the bowl games are that important then they are free to dismiss a guy from the team that refuses to play in them. They don't. And generally the ones opting-out are the ones who aren't planning to play for the school the next season, so what leverage does the coach have to force them to play? None.
Posted by TejasHorn
High Plains Driftin'
Member since Mar 2007
11587 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 11:28 am to
It’s sad but it’s what the people wanted.

I miss New Year’s Day and the days leading up to it. People would actually stop down and watch the Sun bowl, etc. And New Year’s Day itself was better than Christmas.
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
213855 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 11:30 am to
Get rid of some of the bowl games.. that means less deserving teams can’t go. I agree with the 8 win thing. But they have come too far and too much money is now involved to go backwards.
Posted by Tigertown in ATL
Georgia foothills
Member since Sep 2009
30111 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 11:31 am to
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The bowls games have to go.


Why? Are they preempting General Hospital for you?
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
32153 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 11:33 am to
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The thing you are missing and it is a big thing is this.

Bowls mean 15 extra practices and that means more development for the younger players.


No one is denying that a bowl game creates the basis to allow 15 extra practices. But that is a separate discussion than the importance of the game itself or not.

quote:

It's invaluable practice time you can't get back.


Sure you can. Just allow dates throughout the offseason for practice. Allow 7 practices in January/February then another 7 in May/June in addition to the regular spring practices. If the additional practice is the most important part of the situation then simply allow more practice during the offseason. That doesn't require a bowl game.
This post was edited on 12/2/24 at 11:38 am
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