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What is your opinion on reintroduction of predators like wolves in the United States?
Posted on 11/25/24 at 11:49 pm
Posted on 11/25/24 at 11:49 pm
Stumbled across a yt video where ranchers/ environmentalists are discussing the aftermath of Colorado’s wolf reintroduction program.
Youtube: Colorado experience _ return of the Wolf
The ranchers sound ridiculous to me the way they over sensationalize the wolf problem. The law compensates them at fair market value when a wolf kills cow.
“They’re concerns are: oh well , we take good care of our cattle so they die a humane death: like the aren’t headed to the slaughter house. “
“Oh, the cattle get scared when wolfs are around. “
“Oh, well nobody really considered us when people were voting. We should have educated people more about why our cattle are more important than the natural ecosystem. “
“Oh , well the cattle can’t defend themselves against wolfs, and the native grasses alone can’t support cattle, so we have to supplement the cattle with feed. Oh, and we can’t grow crops here so that’s why we have to ranch.”
No shite, that’s why we shouldn’t have whipped out the millions of native cattle that fed the native Americans and wolves for thousands of years.
How wolves changed Yellowstone
I know It’s easy to look back at our ancestors and point fingers about how uneducated they were in terms of wiping out beaver, passenger pigeons, bison, etc .
Makes me wonder what 200 years from now , what mistakes we are making now: our lack of focus on renewable energy comes to mind. Will we keep drilling and fracking until we have little to no resources left?
Youtube: Colorado experience _ return of the Wolf
The ranchers sound ridiculous to me the way they over sensationalize the wolf problem. The law compensates them at fair market value when a wolf kills cow.
“They’re concerns are: oh well , we take good care of our cattle so they die a humane death: like the aren’t headed to the slaughter house. “
“Oh, the cattle get scared when wolfs are around. “
“Oh, well nobody really considered us when people were voting. We should have educated people more about why our cattle are more important than the natural ecosystem. “
“Oh , well the cattle can’t defend themselves against wolfs, and the native grasses alone can’t support cattle, so we have to supplement the cattle with feed. Oh, and we can’t grow crops here so that’s why we have to ranch.”
No shite, that’s why we shouldn’t have whipped out the millions of native cattle that fed the native Americans and wolves for thousands of years.
How wolves changed Yellowstone
I know It’s easy to look back at our ancestors and point fingers about how uneducated they were in terms of wiping out beaver, passenger pigeons, bison, etc .
Makes me wonder what 200 years from now , what mistakes we are making now: our lack of focus on renewable energy comes to mind. Will we keep drilling and fracking until we have little to no resources left?
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Posted on 11/25/24 at 11:53 pm to Bison
Wolves and Grizzlies are a bad idea.
quote:Oh for frick's sake.
Will we keep drilling and fracking until we have little to no resources left
This post was edited on 11/25/24 at 11:55 pm
Posted on 11/25/24 at 11:59 pm to Bison
quote:You came to the right place.
Makes me wonder what 200 years from now , what mistakes we are making now: our lack of focus on renewable energy comes to mind. Will we keep drilling and fracking until we have little to no resources left?
Just kidding. Enjoy the virtual prison sex.
Posted on 11/26/24 at 12:03 am to Bison
You sound like a giant vagina
Posted on 11/26/24 at 12:09 am to Bison
TBH I don't have a whole lot of sympathy for ranchers. They think of themselves as rugged individualists, but they've been leaching off Uncle Sam for 150 years.
The US Army killed off the Indians and drove the survivors onto reservations.
Federally subsidized railroads allowed them to ship their cattle to market.
Federal irrigation projects allow them to grow feed in an arid landscape.
They don't even own most of the land they raise their cattle on. They lease it from the taxpayer at pennies an acre.
And Federal predator control programs killed off the wolves in the first place. When we figure out that wasn't such a great idea after all, they bitch about it.
I'm tempted to say frick 'em, but they play a role in the economy and they deserve to make a living. What they don't deserve is to have it all their own way. They'll have to learn to adapt to changing conditions just like the rest of us.
The US Army killed off the Indians and drove the survivors onto reservations.
Federally subsidized railroads allowed them to ship their cattle to market.
Federal irrigation projects allow them to grow feed in an arid landscape.
They don't even own most of the land they raise their cattle on. They lease it from the taxpayer at pennies an acre.
And Federal predator control programs killed off the wolves in the first place. When we figure out that wasn't such a great idea after all, they bitch about it.
I'm tempted to say frick 'em, but they play a role in the economy and they deserve to make a living. What they don't deserve is to have it all their own way. They'll have to learn to adapt to changing conditions just like the rest of us.
Posted on 11/26/24 at 12:11 am to Bison
Personally I rather enjoy walking to my truck at 5:30am with the confidence I’m not being stalked as breakfast. But I’m weird that way. I’ve found most people who advocate for releasing apex predators back into the environment don’t live anywhere near the aforementioned “environment”.
Posted on 11/26/24 at 12:23 am to Bison
Do you drive a Subaru? Because you strike me as a Subaru kinda guy.
Posted on 11/26/24 at 12:33 am to Bison
They were there before. Some should still be around. Ranchers already get paid for reporting their cattle loss by USDA, and can also get grants for securing cattle that are in known reintroduced areas. I always appreciated being in a forest with wolves. The ranchers financial cost for loss is less than a drop in the bucket for even the USDA's budget. The biggest complaints will from I see in the PNW, where older or lazier hunters are upset that it is harder to hunt because of the wolves pushing them into harder places to get to.
Posted on 11/26/24 at 12:36 am to Bison
What do the numerous experts in wildlife biology and habitat have to say?
This isn’t the kind of thing one should have an opinion on when facts are available
This isn’t the kind of thing one should have an opinion on when facts are available
Posted on 11/26/24 at 12:44 am to NawlinsTiger9
quote:
What do the numerous experts in wildlife biology and habitat have to say?
Such a flawed way of thinking. “Trust the experts,” is not a substitute for critical thinking.
Posted on 11/26/24 at 12:46 am to Riverside
Critical thinking means frick all if you don’t know what you’re talking about
Posted on 11/26/24 at 12:48 am to NawlinsTiger9
Just because someone purports to be an “expert” doesn’t qualify them to determine whether a wolf pack ought to be reintroduced into the wild.
Posted on 11/26/24 at 12:52 am to Riverside
Purports? People go to school for this shite and spend their summers doing field work in these habitats. They do studies, gather data, and consider factors that you aren’t capable of “thinking” your way into.
The real flawed way of thinking is googling a couple of articles from across the country and thinking you know a goddam thing about this compared to people who make it their life’s work.
But judging by some of your other posts, talking out your arse is what you do best.
The real flawed way of thinking is googling a couple of articles from across the country and thinking you know a goddam thing about this compared to people who make it their life’s work.
But judging by some of your other posts, talking out your arse is what you do best.
Posted on 11/26/24 at 12:55 am to Robin Masters
quote:
Personally I rather enjoy walking to my truck at 5:30am with the confidence I’m not being stalked as breakfast. But I’m weird that way. I’ve found most people who advocate for releasing apex predators back into the environment don’t live anywhere near the aforementioned “environment”.
Bingo
The people that want more bears in WI have never had one right outside their front door when you want to go somewhere.
Posted on 11/26/24 at 2:09 am to Robin Masters
quote:
Personally I rather enjoy walking to my truck at 5:30am with the confidence I’m not being stalked as breakfast.
Wolves aren’t attacking anyone dumbass.
Wolves being reintroduced is a great thing
Posted on 11/26/24 at 2:42 am to Bison
The overall positives for the environment far outweigh the negatives IMO and if I’m not mistaken, the data supports that.
Has it had some downfalls? Did/does it require some adjustment by people?Yes, of course.
However, the wolf reintroduction happened in the 90’s and should largely be a nonissue for people that had any foresight and adjusted.
Has it had some downfalls? Did/does it require some adjustment by people?Yes, of course.
However, the wolf reintroduction happened in the 90’s and should largely be a nonissue for people that had any foresight and adjusted.
Posted on 11/26/24 at 3:34 am to Bison
quote:
our lack of focus on renewable energy comes to mind
There isn't a renewable energy source out there that doesn't cost at least as much if not more in terms of being "clean" as what we have in fossil fuels now. Considering mining, manufacturing and eventual disposal.
None of them make more than they cost.
Meh...geothermal and maybe hydro. I'll concede those.
Posted on 11/26/24 at 3:37 am to Robin Masters
quote:
Personally I rather enjoy walking to my truck at 5:30am with the confidence I’m not being stalked as breakfast.
quote:
Wolf attacks vary by location and time period, but are generally rare. In North America, there have been only two fatal wolf attacks in the last 20 years.
You have a much better chance of being stalked by some illegal, tranny immigrant.
Posted on 11/26/24 at 4:02 am to Bison
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Makes me wonder what 200 years from now , what mistakes we are making now: our lack of focus on renewable energy comes to mind. Will we keep drilling and fracking until we have little to no resources left?
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If tweet fails to load, click here.Posted on 11/26/24 at 4:08 am to Bison
Friend,
As a hiker and mountaineer who has escaped two maulings by grizzly bears, I am diametrically opposed to the reintroduction of grizzlies. The population of grizzly bears in America is already more than adequate to prevent extinction.
I love hiking in the North Cascades NP partly because there are no grizzly bears. However, the tyrants within the NPS have unilaterally decided, against locals’ wishes, to begin introducing Montana grizzlies into the park. It has me second guessing my future as hiker there. The parks of California, Oregon, and Washington have been a refuge to hikers who are afraid of grizzlies. They are the last states with world class hiking where you do not have to worry constantly about a grizzly. Glacier, Yellowstone, the Grand T***** — if you like hiking and camping among the grizzlies these are the parks to visit.
The eradication of grizzly bears 130 years ago, unlike the bison, was done out of safety, not sport or profit. We today think we are smarter than our ancestors. We are not.
Yours,
TulaneLSU
As a hiker and mountaineer who has escaped two maulings by grizzly bears, I am diametrically opposed to the reintroduction of grizzlies. The population of grizzly bears in America is already more than adequate to prevent extinction.
I love hiking in the North Cascades NP partly because there are no grizzly bears. However, the tyrants within the NPS have unilaterally decided, against locals’ wishes, to begin introducing Montana grizzlies into the park. It has me second guessing my future as hiker there. The parks of California, Oregon, and Washington have been a refuge to hikers who are afraid of grizzlies. They are the last states with world class hiking where you do not have to worry constantly about a grizzly. Glacier, Yellowstone, the Grand T***** — if you like hiking and camping among the grizzlies these are the parks to visit.
The eradication of grizzly bears 130 years ago, unlike the bison, was done out of safety, not sport or profit. We today think we are smarter than our ancestors. We are not.
Yours,
TulaneLSU
This post was edited on 11/26/24 at 6:41 am
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