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What happens if LSU loses to A&M but beats Bama and wins out?

Posted on 10/20/24 at 9:28 pm
Posted by 00 Tech Grad
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Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 10/20/24 at 9:28 pm
And Texas beats A&M?

Looks like LSU dodges having to play in the SECCG and gets into the playoff over the loser of the SECCG
Posted by LSUSkip
Central, LA
Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 10/20/24 at 9:31 pm to
That's a hypothetical, and there's not nearly enough information. What about Tennessee, Mizzou, Ole Miss?
Posted by extremelsu
Member since Aug 2013
4841 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 9:31 pm to
Im concerned a two loss LSU could miss it.
It shouldnt happen but it could happen
We need:
4 SEC
3 B10
2 B12
2 ACC
1 G5
Some projections have B10 with four teams.

We are pulling for IU, Iowa state, BYU, Clemson , and Miami to drop some games
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Posted on 10/20/24 at 9:31 pm to
look either we make the SECCG with 1 loss or they can have it

why?

because if we make that with 2 losses and lose there we are out the playoffs.

if we get 2 losses we want to slip in the playoffs like bama has done in the past without playing in the SECCG.
Posted by BatonrougeCajun
Somewhere in Texas
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 10/20/24 at 9:32 pm to
Just win Baby
Posted by RemouladeSawce
Uranus
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 10/20/24 at 9:36 pm to
quote:

because if we make that with 2 losses and lose there we are out the playoffs.
In a division-less SEC we aren’t making it to Atlanta and missing out on a bid. We’re not getting dinged for a loss that others got to avoid
Posted by Sp0728
Your head
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Posted on 10/20/24 at 9:38 pm to
We fire BK of course
Posted by 00 Tech Grad
My homestead, AL
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 10/20/24 at 9:38 pm to
My concern is that even with only one SEC loss we make the SECCG and lose to UGA then still miss the playoff for some unworthy team from another conference
This post was edited on 10/20/24 at 9:39 pm
Posted by 00 Tech Grad
My homestead, AL
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 10/20/24 at 9:40 pm to
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In a division-less SEC we aren’t making it to Atlanta and missing out on a bid. We’re not getting dinged for a loss that others got to avoid


That isn’t true unfortunately. We saw that happen just last year in a 4 team playoff. Georgia had only one loss, to Bama in the SECCG and they got left out
This post was edited on 10/20/24 at 9:45 pm
Posted by genuineLSUtiger
Nashville
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Posted on 10/20/24 at 9:40 pm to
Kelly would have to be shown the door.
Posted by extremelsu
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 10/20/24 at 9:44 pm to
quote:

My concern is that even with only one SEC loss we make the SECCG and lose to UGA then still miss the playoff for some unworthy team from another conference
that is also in play. ACC should only get one team in
Posted by WaydownSouth
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Member since Nov 2018
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Posted on 10/20/24 at 9:53 pm to
quote:

if we get 2 losses we want to slip in the playoffs like bama has done in the past without playing in the SECCG


This is my concern as well.

I'm worried we drop another and go 10-2 that we are probably sitting between 8-10

We lose to UGA or Tex in SEC champ, could bump us out
Posted by LSUSkip
Central, LA
Member since Jul 2012
22134 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 9:56 pm to
quote:

That isn’t true unfortunately. We saw that happen just last year in a 4 team playoff. Georgia had only one loss, to Bama in the SECCG and they got left out


That wasn't a 12 team playoff.the rules are different now. I don't think a team would get penalized for losing the conference championship, but no one REALLY knows.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
11693 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 9:59 pm to
quote:

And Texas beats A&M?

Looks like LSU dodges having to play in the SECCG and gets into the playoff over the loser of the SECCG

I wouldn’t be so sure about that.

In your hypothetical it’s likely to be a 4-way tie between LSU, A&M, Texas, and the winner of UGA/Tenn (likely UGA IMO).

That’s 4 teams at 7-1. The first four tiebreakers are:
1. Head to head record
2. Record vs. all common opponents
3. Record vs. best common opponent
4. Opponents’ SEC win%

So for that 4-way tie:
1. There is no head to head.
2. There are no common opponents.
3. See #2.
4. I think UGA likely has the best SEC schedule out of the four teams. So they get a spot in the SECCG, and the tiebreakers reset.

Now it’s a 3-way tie for second between LSU, A&M, and Texas.
1. A&M played both teams but went 1-1, so no head to head tiebreak.
2. The only common opponents are Florida and Arkansas. All three teams went 2-0.
3. Same as #2.
4. We know Texas doesn’t have the best conference schedule. It’s either LSU or A&M. LSU’s SEC opponents are currently 16-15. A&M’s SEC opponents are currently 13-17. Playing Mississippi State and Auburn hurts them a lot.

So in the scenario you described, there’s a very good chance that LSU goes to the SECCG at 10-2 to face Georgia, while 11-1 Texas and 10-2 Texas A&M stay home. You could also have Tennessee and Missouri sitting at 10-2 despite not being in contention for the SECCG.
Posted by ronk
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 10/20/24 at 10:00 pm to
We beat arse to mouth by 17. No need to worry
Posted by extremelsu
Member since Aug 2013
4841 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 10:01 pm to
Thanks for typing that up.

Would rather not play in the SECG in that scenario!
Posted by 00 Tech Grad
My homestead, AL
Member since Nov 2009
11272 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 10:01 pm to
So we have to win the SEC to get to the playoff?
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
11693 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 10:09 pm to
quote:

So we have to win the SEC to get to the playoff?

I wouldn’t say that.

If we win the SECCG (finishing either 12-1 or 11-2) we are in as an auto bid.

If we win out and lose in the SECCG (finishing 11-2), we are almost certainly in.

If we drop one and fail to make the SECCG (finishing 10-2) we are probably in depending on the rest of the landscape.

If we drop one, make the SECCG, and lose (finishing 10-3) we are probably in depending on the rest of the landscape.

The SEC isn’t that likely to have 6 teams at 10-2 or better. But it is a possibility. However, even if that happens it doesn’t mean LSU gets left out at 10-2 or 10-3. It just means somebody (probably 2 teams IMO) gets left out.

So if you want a guaranteed spot yeah, you have to win the conference. But that was always the case - those are literally the only guaranteed spots.

ETA: This is why I said that UGA beating Texas may not actually be good for us. Ideally we’d like some of the 1-2 loss SEC teams to start dropping out of playoff contention. Texas isn’t likely to lose 2 more because of their schedule - it looks like they finish 10-2 at worst, but UGA still has to play Tennessee and Ole Miss.
This post was edited on 10/20/24 at 10:14 pm
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
11693 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 10:23 pm to
I should add that the independents, Big 12, and ACC also play a part.

Notre Dame looks like they are about to cruise to an at large bid. That leaves only 6 at large bids remaining. The worst case scenario would be if that happens and we get upsets in the Big 12 and/or ACC championship games on top of a bunch of 10-2+ SEC teams.

Say 11-1 Clemson beats 12-0 Miami in the ACC, and it’s a close game. Miami is still getting in at 12-1. Now you’re down to 5 at large spots.

Now say 11-1 Iowa State beats 12-0 BYU in the Big 12 championship. Is 12-1 BYU getting left out? If not, you’re down to 4 at large spots for the Big 10 and SEC combined.

Contrary to popular belief, there is absolutely no guarantee that the SEC gets 4+ teams in the CFP.
Posted by RemouladeSawce
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Member since Sep 2008
15417 posts
Posted on 10/21/24 at 5:34 am to
quote:

That isn’t true unfortunately. We saw that happen just last year in a 4 team playoff. Georgia had only one loss, to Bama in the SECCG and they got left out
Lucky for us it’s not a 4 team playoff
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