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LIV Golf off-season thread
Posted on 9/19/24 at 11:19 am
Posted on 9/19/24 at 11:19 am
Still have their team championship event in Dallas this weekend, which is arguably one of their most entertaining events with team vs team match play formats. Might watch some of it Friday, but probably watching football this weekend.
Some news heading into offseason:
- Jon Rahm won the individual season long championship with another win in Chicago last weekend. He finished in the top 10 every LIV event that he finished this year
- 7 golfers finished in the drop zone, which means they will be relegated out of the league. This includes 2 of the 4 qualifiers from last year & also Team Captain Bubba Watson, whose best finish this year was T15 back in February. I would assume his contract protects him from relegation, but maybe not.
- They still have 6 of their international series events on Asian Tour to fill a qualifying spot & then 1 spot available at their qualifying event in December.
- Anthony Kim experiment is officially over. Best Finish was 36th, shooting a 65 on the final day at Greenbrier. Was his only tournament out of 11 where he finished under par
- After the team championship, Rahm’s focus shifts to playing 3 events on DP Tour to remain eligible for 2025 Ryder Cup. He’s committed to playing in Spanish Open next weekend.
Some other ongoing drama with him refusing to pay a 7 figure fine to DP Tour, but he is still playing in their events.
- Koepka/Dechambeau playing a match televised on TNT against Scheffler/Rory in December. Koepka is also committed to playing an event on DP Tour, Alfred Dunhill Links Championship, in October.
- Related to their Match event on TNT. LIV recently signed a deal with sports agency Creative Artists Agency (CAA) to represent them for media rights & sponsorship deals. CAA also represents the PGA Tour.
LIV has not resigned with the CW for 2025 season & is looking to make a deal with TNT to broadcast their events
- some progress in the past week with the PGA/PIF merger. Wild that they were in NYC on 9/11 trying to make a deal with Saudi LINK
Deal was reportedly getting hung up because some PGA players want LIV guys to pay a fine or return all the $ from signing with LIV. Comical and petty bc we’re only talking about a few events/yr where LIV players might play in PGA events. They still have their own events to play in. Good explanation on the matter from Michael Kim LINK
Some news heading into offseason:
- Jon Rahm won the individual season long championship with another win in Chicago last weekend. He finished in the top 10 every LIV event that he finished this year
- 7 golfers finished in the drop zone, which means they will be relegated out of the league. This includes 2 of the 4 qualifiers from last year & also Team Captain Bubba Watson, whose best finish this year was T15 back in February. I would assume his contract protects him from relegation, but maybe not.
- They still have 6 of their international series events on Asian Tour to fill a qualifying spot & then 1 spot available at their qualifying event in December.
- Anthony Kim experiment is officially over. Best Finish was 36th, shooting a 65 on the final day at Greenbrier. Was his only tournament out of 11 where he finished under par
- After the team championship, Rahm’s focus shifts to playing 3 events on DP Tour to remain eligible for 2025 Ryder Cup. He’s committed to playing in Spanish Open next weekend.
Some other ongoing drama with him refusing to pay a 7 figure fine to DP Tour, but he is still playing in their events.
- Koepka/Dechambeau playing a match televised on TNT against Scheffler/Rory in December. Koepka is also committed to playing an event on DP Tour, Alfred Dunhill Links Championship, in October.
- Related to their Match event on TNT. LIV recently signed a deal with sports agency Creative Artists Agency (CAA) to represent them for media rights & sponsorship deals. CAA also represents the PGA Tour.
LIV has not resigned with the CW for 2025 season & is looking to make a deal with TNT to broadcast their events
- some progress in the past week with the PGA/PIF merger. Wild that they were in NYC on 9/11 trying to make a deal with Saudi LINK
Deal was reportedly getting hung up because some PGA players want LIV guys to pay a fine or return all the $ from signing with LIV. Comical and petty bc we’re only talking about a few events/yr where LIV players might play in PGA events. They still have their own events to play in. Good explanation on the matter from Michael Kim LINK
This post was edited on 12/3/24 at 8:53 pm
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Posted on 9/19/24 at 11:50 am to JimTiger72
The fact that you sat down to type all that out and thought it would be a good post proves you are a paid bot for LIV.
Posted on 9/19/24 at 11:54 am to Bawpaw
Just posting for information. Figured golf fans would be interested, sorry if that upsets you
Posted on 9/19/24 at 12:07 pm to JimTiger72
The PGA of America just tweeted that LIV players are eligible for the Ryder Cup and PGA Championship. Not sure how that changes anything.
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Posted on 9/19/24 at 12:10 pm to generalgator87
Yeah, I’m not sure if that changes anything for Rahm? Koepka already played in Ryder Cup in 2023 so not sure why they needed to make a statement.
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Posted on 9/19/24 at 12:11 pm to JimTiger72
The European team is run by the DP World Tour. Wouldn't change anything for Rahm.
Posted on 9/19/24 at 12:33 pm to generalgator87
quote:Brooks Koepka played on the last Ryder cup team
The PGA of America just tweeted that LIV players are eligible for the Ryder Cup and PGA Championship.
Multiple LIv players have played in the PGA championship as well
What the hell was the point of that statement? They going to come out saying the world isn’t flat and sky is blue later?
This post was edited on 9/19/24 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 9/19/24 at 1:22 pm to generalgator87
quote:
Not sure how that changes anything.
Thought the same thing when I read it today. They weren't banned from either event prior and LIV guys have played in both.
Only thing I think that may end up being relevant is the part about earning points. Maybe that's a sign they're working on and/or close to working out a deal to give LIV guys Ryder Cup points
This post was edited on 9/19/24 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 9/19/24 at 2:13 pm to lsufball19
quote:But they earned points before. In fact, that’s how Koepka made the team. He earned enough points to be auto taken
Only thing I think that may end up being relevant is the part about earning points
Posted on 9/19/24 at 2:24 pm to lsupride87
quote:
In fact, that’s how Koepka made the team. He earned enough points to be auto taken
Koepka was a captain's pick bud.
quote:
Captain Zach Johnson decided the only American to finish in the top two in two majors this season belonged on the US Ryder cup team.
Brooks Koepka, the Palm Beach County native and Jupiter resident, was added to the team Tuesday as one of six captain's picks after narrowly missing out as one of six automatic selections. The US will take on Europe Sept. 29-Oct. 1 at Marco Simone Golf & Country Club outside of Rome.
"He's built in my mind for the biggest of stages and there is no bigger stage than the Ryder Cup," Johnson said. "His record shows that. His buddies wanted him on the team."
In the 2023 Ryder Cup, Koepka had spent half of 2022 on the PGA Tour. Then, in 2023, he made a ton of money in the 4 qualifying events he played in (over 5 million). That's why he was so close to auto-qualifying.
Regardless, once on LIV, they've only been earning Ryder Cup points for majors and other qualifying events. I never said they weren't earning points for those prior either. But there's a only a handful of events like that a year, so absent crushing it in all the majors, it makes it very difficult to auto-qualify.
I just think the only part of that tweet that could be relevant is the earning points part, otherwise the entire announcement served no purpose and made no sense. Nothing more, nothing less. Maybe it's a red herring, maybe it isn't
This post was edited on 9/19/24 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 9/19/24 at 2:46 pm to lsufball19
quote:Point taken. But he had points. LIv guys have always had points. So even mentioning the points being earned is nothing new. From 2021:
Koepka was a captain's pick bud
1 Scottie Scheffler 27,617.74
2 Wyndham Clark 13,738.92
3 Brian Harman 11,100.54
4 Patrick Cantlay 10,946.75
5 Max Homa 9,638.76
6 Xander Schauffele 9,450.27
7 Brooks Koepka 9,421.15
quote:from what I have read they simply put that out there because they were getting questions on if liv guys were eligible
just think the only part of that tweet that could be relevant is the earning points part, otherwise the entire announcement served no purpose and made no sense. Nothing more, nothing less. Maybe it's a red herring, maybe it isn't
This post was edited on 9/19/24 at 2:47 pm
Posted on 9/19/24 at 2:47 pm to JimTiger72
quote:
some PGA players want LIV guys to pay a fine or return all the $ from signing with LIV
Posted on 9/19/24 at 2:55 pm to iwyLSUiwy
I think it’s clear the players from both sides outside of a small minority give a shite about merging back
They have now gotten more money on both sides that have zero tie in to actual revenue produced or results so why should they care when you actually think about it
The pga players get more money now and the easier it is to win the better it is for them
The LIv players have guaranteed money regardless of play
Michael Kim was very up front about it on twitter. He said he barely knows any guys on either side that actually want to merge back
They have now gotten more money on both sides that have zero tie in to actual revenue produced or results so why should they care when you actually think about it
The pga players get more money now and the easier it is to win the better it is for them
The LIv players have guaranteed money regardless of play
Michael Kim was very up front about it on twitter. He said he barely knows any guys on either side that actually want to merge back
This post was edited on 9/19/24 at 3:17 pm
Posted on 9/19/24 at 3:57 pm to JimTiger72
Pat ( Not Mr. Big) Perez was on the bubble.
Did he make the cut ?
Did he make the cut ?
Posted on 9/19/24 at 4:03 pm to lsupride87
I still don't understand how the economics of LIV are supposed to be sustainable. We are at the end of year 3 at this point, and it still makes jack squat in revenue and doesn't appear to have a strategic path forward other than a merger of some sort. Other than ~6 - 8 names, everyone else is either a replacement level player or a fading star whose best days are well behind them. And even of those ~6 - 8, only a couple are close to playing their best.
The Tour has loads of issues on its own (YoY TV ratings, to say the least), but they are at least operating within sustainable economic constraints. Is the PIF really going to keep pouring billions into a blackhole that has shown no signs of actual investment return? Are they gambling that a merger will bring legitimate sponsors and real TV contracts and play at actual big boy venues? That a merger will open the floodgates for the bulk of the crop of elite players to begin playing over there?
I don't see how they continue to exist as a separate operating entity in anything resembling their current structure.
The other underlying current to this is that the PIF has been drawing back foreign direct investment in a big way over the last two years and re-allocating capital domestically to offset deficits. The only way that changes is if oil gets back to near $100 / barrel. They aren't doing things like putting $50B into the Vision Fund any longer. Logically, large FDI outlays like LIV that aren't seeing any return are likely pretty close to the chopping block unless the economic environment changes over there, but I guess we'll see.
The Tour has loads of issues on its own (YoY TV ratings, to say the least), but they are at least operating within sustainable economic constraints. Is the PIF really going to keep pouring billions into a blackhole that has shown no signs of actual investment return? Are they gambling that a merger will bring legitimate sponsors and real TV contracts and play at actual big boy venues? That a merger will open the floodgates for the bulk of the crop of elite players to begin playing over there?
I don't see how they continue to exist as a separate operating entity in anything resembling their current structure.
The other underlying current to this is that the PIF has been drawing back foreign direct investment in a big way over the last two years and re-allocating capital domestically to offset deficits. The only way that changes is if oil gets back to near $100 / barrel. They aren't doing things like putting $50B into the Vision Fund any longer. Logically, large FDI outlays like LIV that aren't seeing any return are likely pretty close to the chopping block unless the economic environment changes over there, but I guess we'll see.
Posted on 9/19/24 at 4:11 pm to bopper50
quote:
Pat ( Not Mr. Big) Perez was on the bubble.
Did he make the cut ?
Yep, he got the final spot at 48.
Mainly thanks to a bogey on the final hole by Samooja. That was the difference in him getting relegated or staying in open zone
This post was edited on 9/19/24 at 4:12 pm
Posted on 9/19/24 at 4:17 pm to JimTiger72
Thanks Jim.
Posted on 9/19/24 at 6:05 pm to bopper50
Posted on 9/19/24 at 6:28 pm to lsufball19
Looks like an upgrade.
Wonder if Phil has met her yet
Wonder if Phil has met her yet
Posted on 9/19/24 at 7:11 pm to AbuTheMonkey
quote:
Logically, large FDI outlays like LIV that aren't seeing any return are likely pretty close to the chopping block unless the economic environment changes over there, but I guess we'll see.
LIV will be defunct in 5 years or less
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