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re: "Jefferson Should Have Played Earlier": Guilbeau Is An Idiot
Posted on 1/2/09 at 1:38 pm to Genghis Khan
Posted on 1/2/09 at 1:38 pm to Genghis Khan
quote:
How many times did we hear Miles proclaim earlier in the week that Jefferson would see significant playing time only to watch him ride the pine come Saturday?
maybe that was because on Monday and Tuesday he looked good at 11/0 but on Wednesday he looked like shite against the scout team? just a hunch
You said what you believe about Miles and JJ and I do believe you don't know what you are talking about
Posted on 1/2/09 at 1:43 pm to supatigah
I guess my question supes, is how much is seeing enough of Jarrett Lee to where you have to decide, "look this kid is not getting any better, we need to give the youngster the majority of the snaps in practice and see what he can do."
i tend to agree with GG, that given how JJ has responded to being thrown into the fire, it should have been earlier than it happened.
i tend to agree with GG, that given how JJ has responded to being thrown into the fire, it should have been earlier than it happened.
This post was edited on 1/2/09 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 1/2/09 at 1:45 pm to LSU Fan 90812
quote:Yes, and then not come back to throw TDs the way Lee did on multiple occasions. It would be entirely possible for a QB to play even worse than our QBs did for most of the season. I know, I've seen it (Melvin Hill rings a bell).
so if he didn't know the whole playbook he might what? throw a bunch of interceptions for touchdowns...
Consider the example of Urban Meyer (the guy who's about to play for his 2nd National Championship in 3 years). Do any of you really believe that Chris Leak was a more talented QB than Tim Tebow? Of course not. But Tebow never started a single game his entire True Freshman season, despite the fact that he enrolled in January and had the additional benefit of spring practice before that year. And he was a Heisman Trophy-winning QB his first season as a starter. So why did Meyer continue to start Leak throughout that 2006 season instead of handing the reigns over to the "obviously" more talented Tebow, even after Leak lost the game at Auburn?
It doesn't matter what the answer is; the point is that there are good reasons for not starting a more talented QB ahead of a less talented one when the more talented guy is less experienced, and especially when he is a true freshman who didn't even get to campus until just a few weeks before the season started. Obviously, we did not get the level of QB play this year that Florida got from Leak in '06, but we still don't know what kind of play we would have gotten from Jefferson had he been thrown in earlier (perhaps before he was ready).
quote:Yes, he could have. It absolutely is possible for a QB to be much worse than Lee ever was.
and even with a stripped down version of the playbook, couldn't have made more mistakes than Lee.
Posted on 1/2/09 at 1:48 pm to N.O. via West-Cal
I think he should have played earlier as well. One thing is for sure he would not have thrown 17 interceptions.
Posted on 1/2/09 at 1:48 pm to AlaTiger
I think it's funny that people think JJ was ready at Ole Miss, but not against Tulane. He didn't automatically become ready after a few weeks. The kid would've played the same for most of the season if you ask me. Some of you act like there was some big learning curve from late September to early November, and I just don't buy into that at all.
Posted on 1/2/09 at 1:50 pm to AlexLSU
that's my thing as well. let alone if he would've started getting the snaps in practice at a much earlier date.
Posted on 1/2/09 at 1:52 pm to Uncommon Cents
quote:That is probably the most depressing fact about Guilbeau's existence. The entirety of his professional success is built upon people who truly believe he has more coaching prowess than Les Miles. It seems he never, ever writes anything that does not proclaim that Miles not only did not do the best thing, but that he himself knows absolutely what would have been guaranteed 100% to be more successful. I cannot fathom why more people do not wonder, "if he always knows how to be a more successful coach than the guy who's making millions of dollars a year doing it and has trophies on the mantle, why is writing a crap article instead of preparing his team for another National Championship?"
And and as long as people believe that somehow he has insights that the coaching staff doesn't have
Posted on 1/2/09 at 1:55 pm to King Joey
nobody thinks that King Joey. i don't think that. And I don't think GG thinks that.
I honestly think the other night, on the plane back home from ATL, les turns to gary and says,
"Hmm. Maybe we should've gone with Jordan a little earlier."
"Yeah, but we didn't know that."
"Yeah."
:sigh:
I honestly think the other night, on the plane back home from ATL, les turns to gary and says,
"Hmm. Maybe we should've gone with Jordan a little earlier."
"Yeah, but we didn't know that."
"Yeah."
:sigh:
Posted on 1/2/09 at 1:56 pm to IrishEyes
quote:He writes about a team that has -- in the last 9 years -- gone 90-27, won three SEC Championships, won two National Championships, and has the #1 recruiting class in the country. How is it that he can write "objectively" about such a program and still have the majority of his articles be critical?
His job is to be an objective journalist
"Objective" writing about LSU's football program at this point would have to be overwhelmingly gushing with praise.
Posted on 1/2/09 at 1:57 pm to King Joey
not this year King Joey. And not even at times last year.
Posted on 1/2/09 at 1:58 pm to LSU Fan 90812
pretty easy to look back on what he's done and say that now karma
Posted on 1/2/09 at 2:00 pm to King Joey
quote:
That is probably the most depressing fact about Guilbeau's existence. The entirety of his professional success is built upon people who truly believe he has more coaching prowess than Les Miles. It seems he never, ever writes anything that does not proclaim that Miles not only did not do the best thing, but that he himself knows absolutely what would have been guaranteed 100% to be more successful. I cannot fathom why more people do not wonder, "if he always knows how to be a more successful coach than the guy who's making millions of dollars a year doing it and has trophies on the mantle, why is writing a crap article instead of preparing his team for another National Championship?"
He doesn't know more, but any regular fan on the Rant this year could've made some personnel decisions better than the coaches did this year.
How hard was it to see that Danny McCray was constantly played out of position?
How hard was it to see that JJ deserved at least some snaps? Not starting early on, but an opportunity to give Lee a breather and settle him down?
How hard was it to see that Alem should have been starting midseason?
Those are pretty obvious things that we can see, and you can try to convince me that the coaches had a reason, or didn't think someone else could do better, but I won't believe it because these were fairly obvious blunders. He is a man, not a God. Matt Millen got payed a lot of money to run the Lions, but do you think some Detroit journalists and fans could've made a better decision than him at some point?
No one knows the inner workings of LSU more than the coaches, but to say that people who watch the team and know football well wouldn't make a better decision than Les at some point or another is ignorant. Then again, you think we could go undefeated next year...
This post was edited on 1/2/09 at 2:02 pm
Posted on 1/2/09 at 2:00 pm to BilJ
quote:
pretty easy to look back on what he's done and say that now karma
sure it is.
but do you really see 38-3 and not wonder what this team could've achieved?
If it makes any of you feel better, I look at my own decisions in the exact same way.
Posted on 1/2/09 at 2:00 pm to LSU Fan 90812
quote:I thought it was to be objective? Can't quite get that straight, eh?
It's a writer's job to second guess.
quote:Did Guilbeau say, "what if" Jefferson would have played better, or did he say Jefferson would have played better?
But what if he made the wrong decision? Isn't that what people are supposed to talk about? The what if's?
Also, where have all the "objective" articles been, asking "what if" we hadn't done all the things we did to win the National Championship, go 34-6 his first 3 years, win the Sugar Bowl, etc., etc.?
Posted on 1/2/09 at 2:03 pm to LSU Fan 90812
quote:No, but it is bashing Miles to say it would have worked out, and that Les was wrong not to try it.
It's not bashing Les to say that it could've worked out.
I don't read his drivel anymore, but the discussion has pretty clearly suggested that he said it was a mistake not to play Jefferson earlier. That's not a "what if," that's an "I know better than Miles."
Posted on 1/2/09 at 2:03 pm to BilJ
I harped on this in Karmas other thread about Guilbeau.
I'm with ya King Joey and BilJ!!! For 20+ years of practice Guilbeau sucks at what he does!
I'm with ya King Joey and BilJ!!! For 20+ years of practice Guilbeau sucks at what he does!
Posted on 1/2/09 at 2:03 pm to King Joey
quote:
I don't read his drivel anymore, but the discussion has pretty clearly suggested that he said it was a mistake not to play Jefferson earlier. That's not a "what if," that's an "I know better than Miles."
that's actually not what the article said.
Posted on 1/2/09 at 2:07 pm to LSU Fan 90812
quote:So where was his article on how Les could have decided not to go for those 4th downs against Florida last year and lost the game? Or how Les could have failed to land Perriloux and lost the SECCG last year for lack of a capable replacement when Flynn was injured? Or the other dozens of articles about how Les could have done things differently and not been as successful?
It's a columnist's job to look at what people have done, and what they could've done differently.
You talk about him like he's supposed to be objective, but objectivity demands exactly as much print for every single success as every single failure gets. Do you really think you've seen as much from Guilbeau praising each of Les' 42 wins as you have seen criticizing him for any of his 11 losses?
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