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Abortion from a Republican woman's perspective...
Posted on 8/31/24 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 8/31/24 at 12:48 pm
I have read most all of the threads on here about abortion so now I am going to offer my two cents and ask for a new dialogue.
#1 Calling women whores and sluts that need their consequences...should have kept their legs closed is usually not equally thrown out about the man that also helped create the pregnancy. BOTH need to be discussed.
#2 The threads have been exhaustive about the unborn's life or lack of. It has been beaten to death. You want to change the hearts and minds of pro-choice people? Start talking about what new can do to support women who have an unplanned pregnancy. What safety nets can we provide for job security or unrealized complications that result in medical bills that she will be stuck with? Or time off for birth? Most of the people that comment on here are men and remember, the men in this situation don't have any of this burden. They just screw and then their problems start if that have to pay for a kid in nine months. And yes....I do believe in equal cost sharing and equal custody. No one should just be able to run away unless mutually agree to put the child up for adoption. I believe the talk needs to be about how to better support legislation to support parents who have an unexpected pregnancy. What that is, I don't know...but what we are doing isn't working.
This involves also holding the man responsible. And we can use the same old lines about court ordered child support. That doesn't always work. My first pregnancy was a unplanned. My fiancé at the time was a real POS. Ands before you say it....yes, bad choice in my early years. We ended up breaking up and he went to work for a family friend to make cash and couldn't be compelled to pay child support. I won't go too deep into this right away, but it happens so much more than you think. Men walk away all the time.
AND men support abortions they want, pay for them and even bring women to the clinics. Yet the narratives are always about WHORES, not the men who screw them who are also whores.
#3 Society is going to shite. We all agree. Pumping more unwanted kids into an overloaded system with parents having no consequences for neglecting or abusing kids has got to end. I'm a teacher and I can't tell you how many kids over the years I have fed breakfast to each morning because mom doesn't give a crap and sperm donor didn't want to be a dad.They can't play sports or join clubs because they have to go home and watch siblings. I have watched these kids turn into criminals and drug addicts. I just don't know how we keep going when people are throwing kids out like gumballs and we have no way to truly support a better life for them. Every time I see the youth of BR getting arrested for shooting someone or raping or dealing drugs, I think what are we gong to do with MORE of those? And that's coming! You can say that its not our responsibility...and it isn't but ur kids will have to live in a society with them.
#3 I truly believe in the exceptions. I have a daughter. She is a college athlete with a job that is very physically demanding. She pays all of her own bills outside of her college costs. I cannot imagine her being raped and impregnated and forced to make a baby with her rapist. She would lose her entire life right now. Its not merely an "inconvenience." Its life changing and can screw you up for life. She would lose her college life and definitely her job. For something she didn't deserve. I would love to see this board look at it from my daughter's point of view. Her life does matter. I don't know why that isn't talked about. The brushing off of rape and incest victims on here is a problem.
I don't think I even saw a thread about the 29 year old who impregnated the 12 year old in Lake Charles, who gave birth. That poor child is a child herself.
Anyway, I wanted to get my two cents in and I hope it turns into a civilized discussion without bomb throwing. I'm interested to hear your thoughts. I have a lot to say but I don't get into the BS name calling.
#1 Calling women whores and sluts that need their consequences...should have kept their legs closed is usually not equally thrown out about the man that also helped create the pregnancy. BOTH need to be discussed.
#2 The threads have been exhaustive about the unborn's life or lack of. It has been beaten to death. You want to change the hearts and minds of pro-choice people? Start talking about what new can do to support women who have an unplanned pregnancy. What safety nets can we provide for job security or unrealized complications that result in medical bills that she will be stuck with? Or time off for birth? Most of the people that comment on here are men and remember, the men in this situation don't have any of this burden. They just screw and then their problems start if that have to pay for a kid in nine months. And yes....I do believe in equal cost sharing and equal custody. No one should just be able to run away unless mutually agree to put the child up for adoption. I believe the talk needs to be about how to better support legislation to support parents who have an unexpected pregnancy. What that is, I don't know...but what we are doing isn't working.
This involves also holding the man responsible. And we can use the same old lines about court ordered child support. That doesn't always work. My first pregnancy was a unplanned. My fiancé at the time was a real POS. Ands before you say it....yes, bad choice in my early years. We ended up breaking up and he went to work for a family friend to make cash and couldn't be compelled to pay child support. I won't go too deep into this right away, but it happens so much more than you think. Men walk away all the time.
AND men support abortions they want, pay for them and even bring women to the clinics. Yet the narratives are always about WHORES, not the men who screw them who are also whores.
#3 Society is going to shite. We all agree. Pumping more unwanted kids into an overloaded system with parents having no consequences for neglecting or abusing kids has got to end. I'm a teacher and I can't tell you how many kids over the years I have fed breakfast to each morning because mom doesn't give a crap and sperm donor didn't want to be a dad.They can't play sports or join clubs because they have to go home and watch siblings. I have watched these kids turn into criminals and drug addicts. I just don't know how we keep going when people are throwing kids out like gumballs and we have no way to truly support a better life for them. Every time I see the youth of BR getting arrested for shooting someone or raping or dealing drugs, I think what are we gong to do with MORE of those? And that's coming! You can say that its not our responsibility...and it isn't but ur kids will have to live in a society with them.
#3 I truly believe in the exceptions. I have a daughter. She is a college athlete with a job that is very physically demanding. She pays all of her own bills outside of her college costs. I cannot imagine her being raped and impregnated and forced to make a baby with her rapist. She would lose her entire life right now. Its not merely an "inconvenience." Its life changing and can screw you up for life. She would lose her college life and definitely her job. For something she didn't deserve. I would love to see this board look at it from my daughter's point of view. Her life does matter. I don't know why that isn't talked about. The brushing off of rape and incest victims on here is a problem.
I don't think I even saw a thread about the 29 year old who impregnated the 12 year old in Lake Charles, who gave birth. That poor child is a child herself.
Anyway, I wanted to get my two cents in and I hope it turns into a civilized discussion without bomb throwing. I'm interested to hear your thoughts. I have a lot to say but I don't get into the BS name calling.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 12:53 pm to madamtiger
quote:
I truly believe in the exceptions. I have a daughter. She is a college athlete with a job that is very physically demanding. She pays all of her own bills outside of her college costs. I cannot imagine her being raped and impregnated and forced to make a baby with her rapist. She would lose her entire life right now. Its not merely an "inconvenience." Its life changing and can screw you up for life. She would lose her college life and definitely her job. For something she didn't deserve.
She also would lost a good chunk of her economic prospects, especially if she was considering to work in the professional class.
Pregnancy is a huge part of the wage gap and she would have no say in that impact.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 12:53 pm to madamtiger
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I cannot imagine her being raped and impregnated and forced to make a baby with her rapist.
Almost no one supports that thought. Why would a victim not immediately take medication immediately after to prevent pregnancy?
This post was edited on 8/31/24 at 12:55 pm
Posted on 8/31/24 at 12:54 pm to tigersmanager
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it's murder
It may be.
It may not be.
Literally millions upon millions disagree on this.
There isn't a specific answer to this question. If there was, the debate would be over.
You don't get to frame the discussion to get your desired result.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 12:56 pm to madamtiger
If women don’t want kids , use birth control.
It’s not that complicated.
It’s not that complicated.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 12:57 pm to Septiger
quote:
If women don’t want kids , use birth control.
Some people consider birth control the same as abortion.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 12:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
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You don't get to frame the discussion to get your desired result.
Doesn’t the court do this specifically regarding if a pregnancy is a child or not?
Posted on 8/31/24 at 12:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
the 29 year old who impregnated the 12 year old in Lake Charles
Jake????
Jake????
Posted on 8/31/24 at 12:58 pm to madamtiger
quote:
#1 Calling women whores and sluts that need their consequences...should have kept their legs closed is usually not equally thrown out about the man that also helped create the pregnancy. BOTH need to be discussed.
I would agree with you if the man had equal say in the choice. If the man wants to terminate, but the woman doesn't, she can't be forced to have an abortion, and he can be forced to pay child support.
If the woman wants to terminate and the man doesn't, he can't force her to give birth even if he agrees to take custody without her paying child support.
There are plenty people that shame the men with multiple baby mamas.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 12:58 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Some people consider birth control the same as abortion.
Stop focusing on the very extreme groups.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 12:59 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:their opinion are irrelevant. that's how facts work. abortion is murdering an unborn fetus. not only murder, but extreme torture. you may be too stupid to understand though.
Literally millions upon millions disagree on this.
these are self evident facts too
Posted on 8/31/24 at 12:59 pm to madamtiger
This has been dubbed a state issue. This woman is the worst of the teacher problem. She will vote dem on a single issue for president that is a non issue for the president.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 1:00 pm to Colonel Flagg
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Doesn’t the court do this specifically regarding if a pregnancy is a child or not?
They did under Roe because the reasoning of Roe was bad and was amplified when courts had to make these decisions.
Now it's by statute at the state level.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 1:00 pm to madamtiger
quote:educate your daughter on adoption. literally plenty of people who want to adopt.
. I cannot imagine her being raped and impregnated and forced to make a baby with her rapist. She would lose her entire life right now. Its not merely an "inconvenience." Its life changing and can screw you up for life.
quote:murdering babies is always indicative of a society going to shite
Society is going to shite.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 1:00 pm to themunch
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the 29 year old who impregnated the 12 year old in Lake Charles
Jake????
What are you asking?

Posted on 8/31/24 at 1:02 pm to madamtiger
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#3 I truly believe in the exceptions. I have a daughter. She is a college athlete with a job that is very physically demanding. She pays all of her own bills outside of her college costs. I cannot imagine her being raped and impregnated and forced to make a baby with her rapist. She would lose her entire life right now. Its not merely an "inconvenience." Its life changing and can screw you up for life. She would lose her college life and definitely her job. For something she didn't deserve. I would love to see this board look at it from my daughter's point of view. Her life does matter. I don't know why that isn't talked about. The brushing off of rape and incest victims on here is a problem
The bottom line that cannot be escaped here is "I'm making the choice of killing an innocent baby to preserve my own life choices". It's not just tissue. It's not just a clump of cells. It's a baby.
When you see a pregnant woman, nobody asks "When's the clump of fetal tissue due?". We don't tell children of rape "You had no right to live. You never should have been born".
And in your scenario, you never once even brought up the obvious solution: put the child up for adoption. Your daughter has her life, and the evil of her rape wasn't compounded by the evil of killing a child.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 1:02 pm to madamtiger
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3 Society is going to shite. We all agree. Pumping more unwanted kids into an overloaded system with parents having no consequences for neglecting or abusing kids has got to end
I frequently hear people list rape, incest and life of the mother as reasons why unfettered abortion should be available nationwide and I think a lot of Americans would agree with that stance but here's where it gets weird. Let's say for sake of discussion that a nationwide law was passed that allowed for abortion in the aforementioned situations, is that going to stop all the contentious debate over abortion? No it will not because +95% of abortions are for careless people who didn't take the necessary precautions to avoid pregnancy. Abortion is being used as birth control +95% of the time and not for pregnancies due to rape, incest and life of the mother.
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