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OT Watch Enthusiasts - Certina or Alpina?
Posted on 7/30/24 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 7/30/24 at 12:26 pm
I’m new to the watch game, so your insight and opinions would be greatly appreciated.
I’m looking for an entry-level Swiss automatic, somewhere in the +/- $1000 range. Something with the sportiness of a diver, but not an obvious Rolex or Omega knock-off. Something with its own unique character.
I’m partial to the Certina DS PH200M:
I’m also kind of smitten with the Alpina Seastrong Diver 300 Heritage, even though it’s at the top end of my price range:
And I’m eyeballing the Hamilton Khaki Aviation Converter. It’s different, but I kind of dig it, too:
What’s your opinion of these? Are they pretty much all on par quality-wise? Any other similar watches that you would recommend? This will be mostly a watch for the office and occasional social functions, so nothing formal. Also, it will likely be a while until I buy another, so I want to make a good first choice.
Thanks for your input!
I’m looking for an entry-level Swiss automatic, somewhere in the +/- $1000 range. Something with the sportiness of a diver, but not an obvious Rolex or Omega knock-off. Something with its own unique character.
I’m partial to the Certina DS PH200M:

I’m also kind of smitten with the Alpina Seastrong Diver 300 Heritage, even though it’s at the top end of my price range:

And I’m eyeballing the Hamilton Khaki Aviation Converter. It’s different, but I kind of dig it, too:

What’s your opinion of these? Are they pretty much all on par quality-wise? Any other similar watches that you would recommend? This will be mostly a watch for the office and occasional social functions, so nothing formal. Also, it will likely be a while until I buy another, so I want to make a good first choice.
Thanks for your input!
Posted on 7/30/24 at 12:37 pm to Nump
I'm currently wearing a Hamilton Khaki Aviation ... I really like.. considering purchasing another
Posted on 7/30/24 at 1:20 pm to Nump
My cousin has an Alpina and loves it. FWIW.
Posted on 7/30/24 at 1:28 pm to Nump
6 one way half dozen the other. It’s your preference and ignore the static from outside
Posted on 7/30/24 at 1:49 pm to Nump
I like the Alpina, here. Hamilton isn't bad. I'm not a fan of that Certina, for sure.
Posted on 7/30/24 at 1:50 pm to Nump
$1k is kind of weird range, but you can get some pretty good stuff.
Certina and Hamilton are owned by the Swatch group and their movements are likely going to be the one of the tried and true ETA movements. Either the 2824 or one of the new 80 hour movements with a slower beat rate. They'll call the movement something that sounds proprietary to Certina or Hamilton, but the guts will inevitably be the ETA movement, which is a good thing. They'll all be made in Switzerland and have years of performance behind them. Pretty much every watch repair shop will have seen them a minimum of hundreds of times.
Alpina is owned by Citizen and I'm pretty sure they use the Sellita SW200 or some variant in their Alpine watches. The Sellita movement is good and pretty robust as well, with a lot of the design being pretty much a copy of the ETA movement.
The Swatch group, which owns 17 watch brands, has limited their movements to only owned brands. So the ETA movement is only available now to those specific brands. Sellita has kind of swooped in and become the 2nd largest provider of movements. Their failure rates are a bit higher and the movements are a bit more workman like, but nothing to really be concerned about.
I think you're likely good on quality regardless of choice. The watch business makes it seem like there are more movements out there than there really are. There are only a limited few bespoke movement manufacturers and probably 90% of watches or more use the same 5 or 6 movements.
One brand that falls into the entry luxury space is Tissot. They make some nice stuff and are a Swatch Group company, so would have ETA movements. Give them a look as well.
As for taste, that's unique to you, I definitely suggest trying everything on to see if they fit your wrist correctly. There's nothing worse than dropping a lot of coin just to find out that something feels wrong when you wear it.
All in all, I think you're in good shape from a price/value/quality perspective.
Certina and Hamilton are owned by the Swatch group and their movements are likely going to be the one of the tried and true ETA movements. Either the 2824 or one of the new 80 hour movements with a slower beat rate. They'll call the movement something that sounds proprietary to Certina or Hamilton, but the guts will inevitably be the ETA movement, which is a good thing. They'll all be made in Switzerland and have years of performance behind them. Pretty much every watch repair shop will have seen them a minimum of hundreds of times.
Alpina is owned by Citizen and I'm pretty sure they use the Sellita SW200 or some variant in their Alpine watches. The Sellita movement is good and pretty robust as well, with a lot of the design being pretty much a copy of the ETA movement.
The Swatch group, which owns 17 watch brands, has limited their movements to only owned brands. So the ETA movement is only available now to those specific brands. Sellita has kind of swooped in and become the 2nd largest provider of movements. Their failure rates are a bit higher and the movements are a bit more workman like, but nothing to really be concerned about.
I think you're likely good on quality regardless of choice. The watch business makes it seem like there are more movements out there than there really are. There are only a limited few bespoke movement manufacturers and probably 90% of watches or more use the same 5 or 6 movements.
One brand that falls into the entry luxury space is Tissot. They make some nice stuff and are a Swatch Group company, so would have ETA movements. Give them a look as well.
As for taste, that's unique to you, I definitely suggest trying everything on to see if they fit your wrist correctly. There's nothing worse than dropping a lot of coin just to find out that something feels wrong when you wear it.
All in all, I think you're in good shape from a price/value/quality perspective.
This post was edited on 7/30/24 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 7/30/24 at 2:16 pm to Nump
Posted on 7/30/24 at 2:22 pm to Nump
I always prefer the diver sport type watches my current are the Tudor brand
Posted on 7/30/24 at 2:23 pm to Gaston
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Prodiver
Like these a lot. Cool case and nice integration of the date window.
Posted on 7/30/24 at 2:26 pm to Nump
I'd give Baltic a look. If you are into divers, the Aquscaphe is the play. If you are looking for classic elegance then the MR Classic (looks to me to be Calatrava inspired though not an overt knockoff). If field watch is your jam, then the Hermitique.
I don't own one, but I bought one (Aquascaphe blue) for my youngest son when he graduated HS. Baltic is very solid in the microbrand space. I know the Aquascaphe line uses Miyota movements, not sure on the others. They are tyipcally in the 600 EUR range.
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I don't own one, but I bought one (Aquascaphe blue) for my youngest son when he graduated HS. Baltic is very solid in the microbrand space. I know the Aquascaphe line uses Miyota movements, not sure on the others. They are tyipcally in the 600 EUR range.
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This post was edited on 7/30/24 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 7/30/24 at 2:28 pm to Nump
Certina and Hamilton are too busy for my taste.
Posted on 7/30/24 at 3:22 pm to SG_Geaux
Another question, would you buy a watch from a Venezuelan EBay seller if they have a 100% rating? Prices are fantastic but I dunno.
Posted on 7/30/24 at 3:29 pm to RolltidePA
Thanks for the reply. Lots of good info there.
One of my bigger concerns was buying something that was a maintenance or repair nightmare. If quality is close or on par across the 3, then it seems I only need to worry about the aesthetics. Thanks again.
One of my bigger concerns was buying something that was a maintenance or repair nightmare. If quality is close or on par across the 3, then it seems I only need to worry about the aesthetics. Thanks again.
Posted on 7/30/24 at 3:29 pm to Gaston
Ooo, very interesting watch there. Might have to add that one to the list!
Posted on 7/30/24 at 3:50 pm to Nump
Take a look at Zodiac watches while you're at it. They make a diver and it comes in a lot of different color combos. Around your budget I think.


Posted on 7/30/24 at 3:54 pm to Nump
Baltic, Monta or Doxa are worth a look also.
Posted on 7/30/24 at 3:56 pm to Nump
Can't go wrong with Hamilton: Great history, American Company, Swiss Movement.
Others to look at in that price range are Oris and Longines. Both are great companies with a rich history. IMHO
Others to look at in that price range are Oris and Longines. Both are great companies with a rich history. IMHO
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