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OT Watch Enthusiasts - Certina or Alpina?

Posted on 7/30/24 at 12:26 pm
Posted by Nump
Down da Bayou
Member since Sep 2021
179 posts
Posted on 7/30/24 at 12:26 pm
I’m new to the watch game, so your insight and opinions would be greatly appreciated.

I’m looking for an entry-level Swiss automatic, somewhere in the +/- $1000 range. Something with the sportiness of a diver, but not an obvious Rolex or Omega knock-off. Something with its own unique character.

I’m partial to the Certina DS PH200M:



I’m also kind of smitten with the Alpina Seastrong Diver 300 Heritage, even though it’s at the top end of my price range:



And I’m eyeballing the Hamilton Khaki Aviation Converter. It’s different, but I kind of dig it, too:



What’s your opinion of these? Are they pretty much all on par quality-wise? Any other similar watches that you would recommend? This will be mostly a watch for the office and occasional social functions, so nothing formal. Also, it will likely be a while until I buy another, so I want to make a good first choice.

Thanks for your input!
Posted by DarkDrifter
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2011
4084 posts
Posted on 7/30/24 at 12:37 pm to
I'm currently wearing a Hamilton Khaki Aviation ... I really like.. considering purchasing another
Posted by Costanza
Member since May 2011
3255 posts
Posted on 7/30/24 at 1:08 pm to
I dig that Hamilton.
Posted by hedgediver
LSU
Member since Sep 2004
2098 posts
Posted on 7/30/24 at 1:20 pm to
My cousin has an Alpina and loves it. FWIW.
Posted by North Dallas Tiger
United States of America
Member since Mar 2024
13008 posts
Posted on 7/30/24 at 1:21 pm to
Hamilton
Posted by cypresstiger
The South
Member since Aug 2008
12459 posts
Posted on 7/30/24 at 1:28 pm to
6 one way half dozen the other. It’s your preference and ignore the static from outside
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
92569 posts
Posted on 7/30/24 at 1:49 pm to
I like the Alpina, here. Hamilton isn't bad. I'm not a fan of that Certina, for sure.
Posted by RolltidePA
North Carolina
Member since Dec 2010
4342 posts
Posted on 7/30/24 at 1:50 pm to
$1k is kind of weird range, but you can get some pretty good stuff.

Certina and Hamilton are owned by the Swatch group and their movements are likely going to be the one of the tried and true ETA movements. Either the 2824 or one of the new 80 hour movements with a slower beat rate. They'll call the movement something that sounds proprietary to Certina or Hamilton, but the guts will inevitably be the ETA movement, which is a good thing. They'll all be made in Switzerland and have years of performance behind them. Pretty much every watch repair shop will have seen them a minimum of hundreds of times.

Alpina is owned by Citizen and I'm pretty sure they use the Sellita SW200 or some variant in their Alpine watches. The Sellita movement is good and pretty robust as well, with a lot of the design being pretty much a copy of the ETA movement.

The Swatch group, which owns 17 watch brands, has limited their movements to only owned brands. So the ETA movement is only available now to those specific brands. Sellita has kind of swooped in and become the 2nd largest provider of movements. Their failure rates are a bit higher and the movements are a bit more workman like, but nothing to really be concerned about.

I think you're likely good on quality regardless of choice. The watch business makes it seem like there are more movements out there than there really are. There are only a limited few bespoke movement manufacturers and probably 90% of watches or more use the same 5 or 6 movements.

One brand that falls into the entry luxury space is Tissot. They make some nice stuff and are a Swatch Group company, so would have ETA movements. Give them a look as well.

As for taste, that's unique to you, I definitely suggest trying everything on to see if they fit your wrist correctly. There's nothing worse than dropping a lot of coin just to find out that something feels wrong when you wear it.

All in all, I think you're in good shape from a price/value/quality perspective.



This post was edited on 7/30/24 at 1:52 pm
Posted by Broke
AKA Buttercup
Member since Sep 2006
65278 posts
Posted on 7/30/24 at 1:51 pm to
Hamilton
Posted by Gaston
Dirty Coast
Member since Aug 2008
41185 posts
Posted on 7/30/24 at 2:16 pm to
I’d get a Prodiver.







https://www.stowa.de/sports

Posted by Gorilla Ball
Member since Feb 2006
12419 posts
Posted on 7/30/24 at 2:22 pm to
I always prefer the diver sport type watches my current are the Tudor brand
Posted by h0bnail
Member since Sep 2009
7589 posts
Posted on 7/30/24 at 2:23 pm to
quote:

Prodiver


Like these a lot. Cool case and nice integration of the date window.
Posted by BigPapiDoesItAgain
Amérique du Nord
Member since Nov 2009
3202 posts
Posted on 7/30/24 at 2:26 pm to
I'd give Baltic a look. If you are into divers, the Aquscaphe is the play. If you are looking for classic elegance then the MR Classic (looks to me to be Calatrava inspired though not an overt knockoff). If field watch is your jam, then the Hermitique.

I don't own one, but I bought one (Aquascaphe blue) for my youngest son when he graduated HS. Baltic is very solid in the microbrand space. I know the Aquascaphe line uses Miyota movements, not sure on the others. They are tyipcally in the 600 EUR range.

ed. for typo
This post was edited on 7/30/24 at 2:52 pm
Posted by SG_Geaux
Beautiful St George, LA
Member since Aug 2004
79584 posts
Posted on 7/30/24 at 2:28 pm to
Certina and Hamilton are too busy for my taste.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
102396 posts
Posted on 7/30/24 at 3:22 pm to
Another question, would you buy a watch from a Venezuelan EBay seller if they have a 100% rating? Prices are fantastic but I dunno.
Posted by Nump
Down da Bayou
Member since Sep 2021
179 posts
Posted on 7/30/24 at 3:29 pm to
Thanks for the reply. Lots of good info there.
One of my bigger concerns was buying something that was a maintenance or repair nightmare. If quality is close or on par across the 3, then it seems I only need to worry about the aesthetics. Thanks again.
Posted by Nump
Down da Bayou
Member since Sep 2021
179 posts
Posted on 7/30/24 at 3:29 pm to
Ooo, very interesting watch there. Might have to add that one to the list!
Posted by NewIberiaHaircut
Lafayette
Member since May 2013
12066 posts
Posted on 7/30/24 at 3:50 pm to
Take a look at Zodiac watches while you're at it. They make a diver and it comes in a lot of different color combos. Around your budget I think.

Posted by JD10
Member since Aug 2010
1010 posts
Posted on 7/30/24 at 3:54 pm to
Baltic, Monta or Doxa are worth a look also.
Posted by TigerDude
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Mar 2008
243 posts
Posted on 7/30/24 at 3:56 pm to
Can't go wrong with Hamilton: Great history, American Company, Swiss Movement.
Others to look at in that price range are Oris and Longines. Both are great companies with a rich history. IMHO
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