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Should the US Convert the Boarder Patrol into a Military Branch Like the Coast Guard?

Posted on 6/17/24 at 9:37 am
Posted by CU_Tigers4life
Georgia
Member since Aug 2013
9220 posts
Posted on 6/17/24 at 9:37 am
Perhaps the Coast Guard should be changed to the US Boarder and Coast Guard or have a separate Branch under attached to the US Army.

For a period of time the existing civilian Board Patrol would work side by side with these new Board Troops and allow attrition the phase out civilians and only hire new troops through the military.

Not sure if it makes sense but what the hell
This post was edited on 6/17/24 at 9:38 am
Posted by Gusoline
Jacksonville, NC
Member since Dec 2013
10489 posts
Posted on 6/17/24 at 9:39 am to
Yea then we can have a tranny lead it like secnav and everything will be better with the MIC running the show!
Posted by LSUnation78
Northshore
Member since Aug 2012
14017 posts
Posted on 6/17/24 at 9:39 am to
I need additional context before i can answer.


I need to know if the members of the boarder patrol that will be a new military branch atleast know how to spell the title of their new branch of the military.

Posted by lsusteve1
Member since Dec 2004
46309 posts
Posted on 6/17/24 at 9:39 am to
Add another Branch to the Military just for Border Control.

USBC
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
43901 posts
Posted on 6/17/24 at 9:46 am to
quote:

Should the US Convert the Boarder Patrol into a Military Branch Like the Coast Guard?


frick No!

1. Posse_Comitatus Act doesn’t allow the military to be deployed inside the USA with the exception of the national guard.

2. The Coast Guard is part of the Department of Homeland Security not the Department of Defense. Border Patrol is already under DHS so making them like the USCG changes nothing.
Posted by ValZacs
Zachary/Valpo
Member since Jan 2009
607 posts
Posted on 6/17/24 at 9:47 am to
quote:

Perhaps the Coast Guard should be changed to the US Boarder and Coast Guard


This just makes too damn much sense.

Posted by Sidicous
NELA
Member since Aug 2015
19296 posts
Posted on 6/17/24 at 9:47 am to
quote:

Add another Branch to the Military just for Border


Well we gotta do something with all these illegal boarders crossing the border. Since they need the essentials like, clothes and the government is already paying them, may as well give them uniforms.
Posted by SixthAndBarone
Member since Jan 2019
10516 posts
Posted on 6/17/24 at 9:48 am to
No. We do not need a military branch enforcing laws inside of our own nation.

It's a good point though as it can be argued either way. Law enforcement enforces laws. Military protects us from external threats. I would argue that if you militarize the border patrol, then their job should become enforcing border entry only, not law enforcement once the criminal has entered the United States.
Posted by CU_Tigers4life
Georgia
Member since Aug 2013
9220 posts
Posted on 6/17/24 at 9:49 am to
quote:

1. Posse_Comitatus Act doesn’t allow the military to be deployed inside the USA with the exception of the national guard.


Pussy Communist?





When the US Coast Guard operates within US Territory doing what they do why would they be subject to the same act?
This post was edited on 6/17/24 at 9:54 am
Posted by GoAwayImBaitn
On an island in the marsh
Member since Jul 2018
2835 posts
Posted on 6/17/24 at 9:49 am to
Yes, but most of all, we need to get NGOs out of here and have actual Americans in charge again
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
35696 posts
Posted on 6/17/24 at 9:49 am to
quote:

Posse_Comitatus Act

Can be amended.

Posted by scrooster
Resident Ethicist
Member since Jul 2012
42077 posts
Posted on 6/17/24 at 9:50 am to
Short answer ..... YES!

Long answer ..... Posse Commitatus.
Posted by DaveyJones12
Member since Dec 2022
326 posts
Posted on 6/17/24 at 9:52 am to
why do you want the military acting out missions within our own borders. do you really think that won't end in disaster?
Posted by DarthRebel
Tier Five is Alive
Member since Feb 2013
24901 posts
Posted on 6/17/24 at 9:53 am to
The border patrol can already act just like a branch of the military. They can already have the same training and access to any equipment they need. Adding them as a "military branch" would change nothing, as long as the politicians in charge are pushing their agendas. Look no further than the leadership of the Army/AF/Navy.
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
75161 posts
Posted on 6/17/24 at 9:55 am to
quote:

1. Posse_Comitatus Act doesn’t allow the military to be deployed inside the USA with the exception of the national guard.

There are more exceptions than that:
quote:

Exclusions and limitations

There are several situations in which the Act does not apply. These include:

National Guard units, state defense forces, and naval militias[19] while under the authority of the governor of a state. However, when the National Guard is under federal control via 10 U.S.C. § 12406, that shifts control from the state governor to the President, making Guard operations subject to the Posse Comitatus Act as well.

Federal troops used in accordance to the Insurrection Act, which has been invoked 23 times, as of 1992.

Under 18 U.S.C. § 831, the Attorney General may request that the Secretary of Defense provide emergency assistance if domestic law enforcement is inadequate to address specific types of threats involving the release of nuclear materials, such as potential use of a nuclear or radiological weapon. Such assistance may be by any personnel under the authority of the Department of Defense, provided such assistance does not adversely affect U.S. military preparedness. The only exemption is the deployment of nuclear materials on the part of the United States Armed Forces.

Provide surveillance, intelligence gathering, observation, and equipment for domestic law enforcement on operations such as drug interdiction and counter-terrorism missions. For example, Delta Force soldiers from Fort Bragg were deployed upon request by the Federal Bureau of Investigation to serve as sniper/observer teams, run communications, provide medical support, gather intelligence, and conduct assistance in explosive breaching during the 1987 Atlanta prison riots.[20]

Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
75161 posts
Posted on 6/17/24 at 10:00 am to
Fun fact: US Space Force operated outside of Posse Comitatus restrictions from its inception in 2019 to mid-2022.

Funner Fact: The Congressman who desperately sought since 2020 to add these limitations and was not successful until the 2022 National Defense Authorization Act was none other than bug-eyed pervert and censured-by-his-colleauges-for-being-a-lying-sack-of-shite, Adam Schiff.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
35696 posts
Posted on 6/17/24 at 10:01 am to
quote:

Adam Schiff.

And the wonderful citizens of California are about to put this bug-eyed loser into the Senate.
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
81611 posts
Posted on 6/17/24 at 10:05 am to
The Coast Guard did report to the DoD until 2001. Since then, they report to Homeland Security.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
43901 posts
Posted on 6/17/24 at 10:15 am to
quote:

When the US Coast Guard operates within US Territory doing what they do why would they be subject to the same act?


No because like the CBP the USCG is part of the Department of Homeland Security.
Posted by Tandemjay
Member since Jun 2022
4639 posts
Posted on 6/17/24 at 10:15 am to
No. All that is needed is a non corrupt fbi to go after the cartels and NGO's that are human trafficking and paying for the invasion.

The Patriot Act that gave us secret courts and Home Land Security (what a nazi sounding name) should be a lesson to not expand the police state.
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