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Strength Training beats cardio for Health & fat loss- new study

Posted on 6/6/24 at 11:39 am
Posted by lsu777
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Posted on 6/6/24 at 11:39 am
New 9 month study(i say new, from 2023, but just released in some of the research reviews i read) showed that strength training 3x per week beat endurance (cardio training) and a time equated combo of the two

it beat the other two in terms of fat loss, body decomposition, and ability to control blood sugar. This matches the findings in the 2015 Meta-analysis that showed Strength training to be better overall for bio markers.

now im not saying dont do cardio, just showing that the best bang for your buck exercise wise is strength training. combined with 10k steps a day and you are better off than 99% of the people on earth.

so stop with the guilt when you dont leave the gym drenched in sweat, embrace the gains and happy lifting boys!!


summary by Menno

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he general population often views strength training as only useful to build muscle, whereas they view endurance training as better for fat loss and health. Yet a 2015 meta-analysis by Clark found that per minute of exercise, strength training is superior to endurance training or a combination of the two for not just muscle growth but also for fat loss and health biomarkers.

A 9-month study of 186 individuals with type II diabetes but a normal bodyweight had similar findings. The researchers compared 3 programs: strength training 3x per week, moderate-to-vigorous endurance training 3x per week or a time-equated combination. Total macronutrient intakes reportedly did not differ between groups.

The strength training group experienced not just the most strength and lean body mass gains but also the greatest decrease in insulin resistance, significantly more than the cardio group. Muscle mass majorly helps with blood sugar regulation, as it's basically a sponge that can soak up excess glucose.

The strength training group also lost the most fat. Although the direct fat mass loss did not significantly differ between groups, the strength training group was the only group experiencing significant body recomposition (lean to fat mass ratio).

How can weight training be superior to cardio for fat loss? In my recent Youtube video, I detailed the mechanisms involved (link in bio). Briefly, the difference in acute energy expenditure is overrated and strength training may be more appetite suppressing, results in an investment into greater lifetime energy expenditure and does not suffer from constrained energy expenditure.

Of course, cardio has unique major health benefits, especially cardiovascularly, and it's better to build endurance. However, most people are best off spending their first hours of exercise per week on strength training for both their health and body comp. For perfect health, adding cardio is likely beneficial.












2023 study LINK

2015 meta
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Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
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Posted on 6/6/24 at 11:39 am to

conclusion from 2015 meta

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Analysis of effectiveness of responses both within and between interventions differences for treatment options modalities (e.g., diet, exercise, or combination therein) along with submodality of treatment (e.g., high intensity versus low intensity, high protein/low carbohydrate diets) indicate a continuum of effectiveness. Most importantly is that protocols utilizing exercise were more effective than those that employed just a hypocaloric diet. With the combination of diet with exercise (especially RT) being more effective than diet or diet with ET in reduction of body mass and fat mass while retaining of FFM following treatment. And are at least as effective for changing hormonal levels and blood lipid profiles. Also, while popular ideas suggest the necessity for acute energetic imbalance, there appears to be no relationship between any treatments effectiveness for inducing acute changes in energetic balance with the effectiveness for induced responses to body composition or biomarkers of health from said treatment program. All of which reinforces the idea of a more complex network of factors that influence overall body composition and health issues for the adult who is overfat, and further stresses the idea to focus treatment on generating a metabolic stress to induce chronic endocrinological (and cytokine) changes as opposed to the focus on the kcal/d (kJ/d) ratios of intake to expenditure.

Further, based on ES for responses to RT (in combination with diet, or with diet and ET), one would be able to expect that at the very least 55% of any population of overfat adults should have beneficial responses in all body compositional measures from the incorporation of RT into a treatment play, along with an even greater percentage having a favorable response to altering fasting levels of insulin, total cholesterol, low-density lipoproteins and triglycerides. Additionally, when exercise is utilized at appropriate intensities (i.e. higher levels) both ET and RT provides an effective stimulus to alter TNF-a, CRP, leptin and adiponectin levels that all indicate a reduction in the risk for cardiovascular disease and improved metabolic flexibility for the adult who is overfat. With RT producing a greater level of effectiveness for altering these measures, especially when RT is progressive and periodized with a training volume of 2-to-3 sets at 6-to-10 reps with an intensity of =75% 1RM and a rest interval of 60–90 seconds, and utilizes whole body (and free-weight) exercises. And thus indicates that RT should be more readily recommended as an appropriate treatment option to adults who are overfat than what has been recommended currently.

Yet, however the effectiveness of this combination of diet and RT might be for inducing changes, the concept of self-selection of exercise patterns means that some adults who are overfat may select toward protocols of ET for exercise. For those who self-select toward ET, it appears that ET is more effective when performed at high intensity (e.g., =70% VO2max, or HRmax) steady-state method or as an interval training style (based on ES calculated gives an expectations of at least 40% of the population showing beneficial responses to intervention). Likewise, some may select away from exercise altogether, which based on overall effectiveness should be discouraged but if utilized as a stand alone intervention, diets can be effective if hypocaloric and comprised of a higher percentage of total caloric intake from protein, with an expectation for at least 55% of the population showing a beneficial response from the intervention.






2023 study conclusion
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Conclusions/interpretation: In normal-weight type 2 diabetes, strength training was superior to aerobic training alone, while no significant difference was observed between strength training and combination training for HbA1c reduction. Increased lean mass relative to decreased fat mass was an independent predictor of reduction in HbA1c level.
This post was edited on 6/6/24 at 11:42 am
Posted by FineWine
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Posted on 6/6/24 at 11:58 am to
Great Stuff! I always enjoy and learn from you posts. Thank you!
Posted by LUS Tiger in FL
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Posted on 6/6/24 at 12:45 pm to
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Great Stuff! I always enjoy and learn from you posts. Thank you


Seconded!

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Posted by NewOrleansBlend
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Posted on 6/6/24 at 2:46 pm to
Title should read: Strength Training beats cardio for body composition and A1c reduction in under-muscled, normal BMI Asian diabetics. It’s important to look closer at studies to try to really understand it. In an undermuscled population, resistance training is more beneficial, I’m not sure that is surprising or paradym shifting in any way.

what about a population that isn’t under-muscled (like presumably H&F board posters)? Probably not as big of an effect.

I believe being adequately muscled, strong and cardiovascularly fit are all essential for health. If one is lagging (like muscle mass in this study) then focusing more on that makes a lot of sense. But saying the others aren’t important is probably wrong
This post was edited on 6/6/24 at 2:48 pm
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
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Posted on 6/6/24 at 2:59 pm to
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what about a population that isn’t under-muscled (like presumably H&F board posters)? Probably not as big of an effect.



90%+ of the population is under muscled, under strength and 50% of those are over fat

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I believe being adequately muscled, strong and cardiovascularly fit are all essential for health. If one is lagging (like muscle mass in this study) then focusing more on that makes a lot of sense. But saying the others aren’t important is probably wrong


so do i, i didnt say choose one over the other.

i said that min for min strength training is more important and better for overall health. this study shows that, the 2015 meta shows that and then also have this one

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A new study compared 406 overweight individuals doing 3 hours of either cardio, strength training or a 50-50 mix of the two for a full year.

Body fat percentage decreased almost exactly the same amount in all 3 groups. The cardio groups had the greatest improvements in cardiovascular health (shocker).

The groups doing cardio experienced a greater decrease in waist circumference, but the strength training group gained significantly more lean body mass.

Macronutrient intakes did not significantly differ across groups, but the strength trainees were consuming 100-200 kcal more per day throughout most of the study. So you might wonder if strength training would eke out cardio for fat loss on a truly calorie-equated basis. Indeed, in contrast to mainstream wisdom, multiple prior studies found that lifting weights is more effective for long-term fat loss than aerobic exercise for 3 reasons.

1. While endurance training tends to burn more energy during the workout, this is compensated for partly by greater post-exercise oxygen consumption (EPOC) and increased muscle mass from strength training. Lugging around kilos of extra beef costs more energy both at rest and in particular when moving.

2. Some research suggests strength training is more appetite suppressing than cardio, though this finding is not consistent.

3. Strength training does not suffer from constrained energy expenditure, whereas cardio does.


cardiorace trial





then you also have this one

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Everyone knows strength training is better for muscle growth but cardio is better for fat loss... right?
Not right. A new study by Brellenthin et al. supports that strength training is more effective per minute of exercise than endurance training for both fat loss and muscle growth, or in this case specifically the prevention of fat gain.
The researchers followed about 12000 healthy adults around for 6 years and analyzed the probability someone would get obese relative to their exercise habits and other variables.
Of course, the more exercise people did, the lower their chance of becoming obese. When comparing the types of exercise, those who did at least 2 strength training workouts per week but no cardio had a lower obesity risk than those who did no strength training but did at least 500 MET-minutes of endurance training per week.
These results are in line with a 2015 meta-analysis of randomized controlled trials by Clark: during ad libitum diets, strength training induces more long-term fat loss per minute of exercise than cardio.
Strength training can burn a comparable number of calories as cardio per session. Cardio can burn calories quicker (often higher kcal/min) but generally only at intensities you can't sustain for over an hour. However, strength training also increases your metabolic rate over time, whereas cardio does not. Gaining a lot of muscle has been found to increase energy expenditure considerably.
Second, strength training generally improves appetite control more than cardio.
Third, cardio suffers from constrained energy expenditure, whereas strength training does not (though maybe at super high volumes we haven't seen in research).
As a result, in real-life settings over the long run, strength training is generally more effective to reduce your energy intake and to increase your energy expenditure than an equal number of minutes of cardio.
Thus, if your primary goal is fat loss, unless you actively want to avoid muscle growth, you should spend your first exercise time on strength training. In fact, you don't have to spend any time on cardio at all. I generally only recommend cardio to a small portion of my female contest competitors that have to go down below 1200 kcal on training days otherwise. (Of course, if you like cardio, feel free to do it! All exercise types are better than none.)




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Posted by Rep520
Member since Mar 2018
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Posted on 6/6/24 at 3:01 pm to
No reason to overcomplicate it or make it an either/or, IMO.

Resistance training is very good for you in many ways. Having a healthy heart is also very good for you in many ways.

Resistance training can actually provide cardio benefits, but as you age, the reality is that there isn't a reason to pick one or the other.
Posted by NewOrleansBlend
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 6/6/24 at 3:03 pm to
Can you address your omission of the study population when talking about the study? It is absolutely critical

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90%+ of the population is under muscled, under strength and 50% of those are over fat


They’re also not cardiovascularly fit so I don’t understand your point
This post was edited on 6/6/24 at 3:06 pm
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 6/6/24 at 3:03 pm to
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But saying the others aren’t important is probably wrong


for the record i never said this.

i said

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strength training is more effective per minute of exercise than endurance training for both fat loss and muscle growth


which in turn leads to better overall health

strength training is the base of the pyramid when it comes to health. 2-3x times a week for less than an hour is plenty for most who just are looking for the health benefits

then you have walking- 8-10k steps per day

then you have vo2 max training/zone2/cardio- 20-40 min 2-3 times per week

if you can do all three when just looking for health and add a good whole food diet on top of that....well you are going to have success.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 6/6/24 at 3:07 pm to
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Can you address your omission of the study population when talking about the study? It is absolutely critical


it wasnt an omission

it was a study done in asia. thats who they took

and its pretty clear it was talking about normal weight type 2 individuals

but sure i acknowledge it.....now acknowledge the 2015 meta that showed same thing and the other two i just posted.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 6/6/24 at 3:09 pm to
quote:


No reason to overcomplicate it or make it an either/or, IMO.

Resistance training is very good for you in many ways. Having a healthy heart is also very good for you in many ways.

Resistance training can actually provide cardio benefits, but as you age, the reality is that there isn't a reason to pick one or the other.


i never said pick one or the other

i said....

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strength training is more effective per minute of exercise than endurance training for both fat loss and muscle growth


which leads to better health as seen in this study, the 2015 meta and others
Posted by NewOrleansBlend
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 6/6/24 at 3:10 pm to
We have been down this road before in another thread. After several pages, you eventually admitted you were biased towards strength training and against cardio because of personal preference not scientific evidence when I presented the data on the importance of VO2 max.
This post was edited on 6/6/24 at 3:11 pm
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 6/6/24 at 3:19 pm to
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We have been down this road before in another thread. After several pages, you eventually admitted you were biased towards strength training and against cardio because of personal preference not scientific evidence when I presented the data on the importance of VO2 max.


just gave it to you and you are still finding reasons why its not practical.

but do you bro
Posted by Rep520
Member since Mar 2018
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Posted on 6/6/24 at 3:53 pm to
quote:

i never said pick one or the other

i said


I'm not trying to pick a fight or put words in your mouth. I'm just saying that all this study says is quantifying an obvious thing.

Resistance training is good.

Also, there's really no reason to compare to cardio (not aiming at you). Too much of fitness is just getting overly complicated.

Resistance training = good. Cardio = good. There's the real meta-analysis.
This post was edited on 6/6/24 at 3:55 pm
Posted by Blutarsky
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Posted on 6/7/24 at 7:33 am to
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
34991 posts
Posted on 6/7/24 at 7:46 am to
quote:

I'm not trying to pick a fight or put words in your mouth. I'm just saying that all this study says is quantifying an obvious thing.

Resistance training is good.

Also, there's really no reason to compare to cardio (not aiming at you). Too much of fitness is just getting overly complicated.

Resistance training = good. Cardio = good. There's the real meta-analysis.


no doubt

but min for min....for health, strength training has a bigger impact on overall health.
Posted by ronricks
Member since Mar 2021
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Posted on 6/7/24 at 8:23 am to
Resistance training = good

Cardio = good

Ideally to be as healthy and fit as possible one should be doing both and it can be:

-on the same day
-not on the same day
-alternating days etc.

Both should be done between 3 and 5 times a week for optimal metabolic health.

There's no reason to push one over the other as literally anything is better than what 75% of Americans are doing currently. We are a nation of lazy fat fricks.
Posted by ronricks
Member since Mar 2021
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Posted on 6/7/24 at 8:32 am to
I was watching a few Arthur Jones videos the other night. Dude was brilliant and did not give a frick about what anyone thought. One was a seminar where he was advocating for 100 rep leg workouts and after he explained his reasoning I kinda think he was onto something. He was a renegade for sure and I would love to see him opine if he were around today on all the various 'fitness influencers' on instagram etc. it would be savage he'd probably make half of them cry. And I'm betting there are a handful of folks on here who could complete a one or two week course of what he deems 'proper' exercise as his programs were brutal and made several elite bodybuilders leave his compound after one week because they simply couldn't handle it.
Posted by WaydownSouth
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Member since Nov 2018
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Posted on 6/7/24 at 8:55 am to
Haven't done 100 reps, but my current leg day has 2 sets of 50 for leg extensions as a finisher. shite is miserable
Posted by Blutarsky
112th Congress
Member since Jan 2004
11512 posts
Posted on 6/7/24 at 9:37 am to
I tried some of the stuff from Ellington Darden who was his right hand man at Nautilus..

30-10-30

30 second slow negative, 10 fast, full reps, 30 second slow negative

One set each, full body workout 1x per week

Leg Curl
Barbell Squat
Calf raise
Lat Pulldown
Barbell Bench
Barbell Curl
Barbell OHP
Barbell Reverse Curl

The weight chosen should be about 80% of what you would normally do for 10 reps, but just starting out, I’d go 60-70%. It’s brutal if you jump right into the 80%.
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