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Red Snapper Quota
Posted on 6/4/24 at 7:12 am
Posted on 6/4/24 at 7:12 am
WLF is still claiming that over 160,000# were landed in the first week of recreational season, or more than 17% of the annual quota. In a week when we could only get offshore 1 day in a 26’ Catamaran because of the wind and seas. Reports I saw suggested the weather kept most boats in port across the coast.
I’ve posted numerous times on their FB posts asking for a recount, and tried in vain to get CCA interested. And we lost our biggest champion in the legislature when Senator Allain stepped down. Where in the Hell did this number come from, and how do we get it corrected?? We are going to see the season shutdown before the best time of the year (Labor Day and after).
Also, after a couple of trips in between the high seas, our experience is there are a ton of small snapper and even more of the “endangered” sharks, but that’s a topic onto itself.
I’ve posted numerous times on their FB posts asking for a recount, and tried in vain to get CCA interested. And we lost our biggest champion in the legislature when Senator Allain stepped down. Where in the Hell did this number come from, and how do we get it corrected?? We are going to see the season shutdown before the best time of the year (Labor Day and after).
Also, after a couple of trips in between the high seas, our experience is there are a ton of small snapper and even more of the “endangered” sharks, but that’s a topic onto itself.
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Posted on 6/4/24 at 7:40 am to Icansee4miles
This snapper stuff blows my mind. I can’t keep up.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 8:11 am to Icansee4miles
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and tried in vain to get CCA interested
This post was edited on 6/4/24 at 8:13 am
Posted on 6/4/24 at 8:19 am to Icansee4miles
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WLF is still claiming that over 160,000# were landed in the first week of recreational season, or more than 17% of the annual quota. In a week when we could only get offshore 1 day in a 26’ Catamaran because of the wind and seas. Reports I saw suggested the weather kept most boats in port across the coast.
I’ve posted numerous times on their FB posts asking for a recount, and tried in vain to get CCA interested.
Just a quick look at Wildlife and Fisheries website reveals an general explanation about how they count the recreational harvest. What reports did you see that "suggested" that the weather kept "most" boats in port? But more importantly, what data do you have about the recreational harvest? I don't doubt that counts can be wrong, but when you set up a procedure that you think is valid, you have to accept the data that it produces until and unless you identify a flaw in the data collection.
DWF needs to follow their data and also evaluate how accurate it is. But decisions can't be made because some guy didn't fish some area because of the weather during the first week of season. Nor should DWF launch a "recount" (that might not be possible) because weather reports "suggested" that "most" boats didn't go out.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 8:37 am to The Levee
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This snapper stuff blows my mind. I can’t keep up.
Remember, those living in third world countries are not entitled to their local resources
Posted on 6/4/24 at 8:42 am to Icansee4miles
We were supposed to go out 2-3 days this past weekend.
Big Fat 0, though. WLF gonna WLF.
Big Fat 0, though. WLF gonna WLF.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 8:45 am to BiggerBear
I was stationed in the middle of the coast, so few boats ventured out from Venice to Cocodrie, and other fishing forums had similar landlocked posts from SW Louisiana. Not sure how it gets more first hand than that.
And every subsequent week that’s been posted is about 10% of the landings as what they said came in Week One (and is more consistent with 2023 data). Do you understand what an outlier in a set of data is?
And every subsequent week that’s been posted is about 10% of the landings as what they said came in Week One (and is more consistent with 2023 data). Do you understand what an outlier in a set of data is?
Posted on 6/4/24 at 9:16 am to BiggerBear
I catch more snapper than most. I have a 30’ center console and have not made 1 trip. There were just a few days since it opened seas were less than 3’.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 11:45 am to lazcreek
We hit the MS opener for shits and giggles Memorial Day weekend- we have places in GI and BSL.
Wind Finder showed MS to be better- so we went.
We got our asses kicked in a 28’ boat, and there were only 2 other boats at FH2. On opening weekend, at a place you can easily take a bay boat to.
I would have to crawl on the floor to put a fish in the box, and the three other seasoned anglers on board all got sick.
I fail to see how LDWF continues to come up with these estimates when conditions have been as bad or worse since the start in GI.
Wind Finder showed MS to be better- so we went.
We got our asses kicked in a 28’ boat, and there were only 2 other boats at FH2. On opening weekend, at a place you can easily take a bay boat to.
I would have to crawl on the floor to put a fish in the box, and the three other seasoned anglers on board all got sick.
I fail to see how LDWF continues to come up with these estimates when conditions have been as bad or worse since the start in GI.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 12:45 pm to Icansee4miles
quote:Its still better than when the Gulf Council claimed the whole allotment was caught during the 7 day span where a hurricane came through the gulf for 5 of those days.
WLF is still claiming that over 160,000# were landed in the first week of recreational season,
This post was edited on 6/4/24 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 6/4/24 at 12:53 pm to CarRamrod
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Its still better than when the Gulf Council claimed the whole allotment was caught during the 7 day span where a hurricane came through the gulf for 5 of those days.
How about the record catch data for Sept of 2005 when there was literally zero power or ice or fuel or docks or boats or roads or anything else along the coasts of MS and LA for months.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 1:07 pm to BiggerBear
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But more importantly, what data do you have about the recreational harvest? I don't doubt that counts can be wrong, but when you set up a procedure that you think is valid, you have to accept the data that it produces until and unless you identify a flaw in the data collection.
This perspective is completely backwards. The onus is not on the average citizen to provide data to back up their claims. The onus should be on the regulatory body to provide the data to back theirs up. Good luck getting any data from these agencies that's not aggregated and tweaked beyond anything meaningful.
Secondly, data should pass basic logical challenges, ie pounds of fish landed should naturally decrease if poor weather limits boats going offshore. The lack of variance in billing data during weather events is a common method for detecting Medicaid fraud for example.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 1:19 pm to subMOA
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and there were only 2 other boats at FH2
34" light blue cat?
I'll give ya'll this the weekends have been rough, but btw remote or flexible work schedules, people borrowing for boats, and the new GPS bottom imaging, when i've been on a weekday I've seen 50 bay boats with 10 ppl each pulling full limits. 5 years ago that same guy didn't have a boat, and if he got to go he tied up to a rig
Posted on 6/4/24 at 2:15 pm to Icansee4miles
WLF contracts the management of the red snapper quota count to South Central Planning and Development. Might do best contacting them.
This post was edited on 6/4/24 at 3:37 pm
Posted on 6/4/24 at 2:47 pm to SmokinBurger
I certainly didn’t know this organization existed and I have worked in the regulatory space in Louisiana for decades. I’ll be giving those folks a call. I thought for sure they were using the same people that count votes in Orleans Parish.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 6:25 am to Icansee4miles
It is odd that the first week's catch is 5x higher than any other week. I will say though that we were in Grand Isle for opening weekend. Winds were very favorable for going offshore. The island was as busy as I've seen it in the last 2 years. Grand isle marina was full of boats headed to catch snapper. We were hammering the trout, so we didn't go out. That is my anecdotal evidence that maybe the first week was an anomaly.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 3:55 pm to Icansee4miles
Keep us posted on what you find out.
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