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30-yr mortgage interest rates

Posted on 12/22/08 at 4:12 pm
Posted by RSO
Member since Apr 2005
385 posts
Posted on 12/22/08 at 4:12 pm
Where do you mortgage pros see the rates going in the next few weeks? They are hovering in the high 4s right now.
Posted by Will Cover
Davidson, NC
Member since Mar 2007
39880 posts
Posted on 12/22/08 at 4:17 pm to
AmTrust Bank rates for a 30 year mortgage are as follows:

This is your mortgage rate update from AmTrust Bank. These interest rates are accurate as of Dec 22, 2008.

30 Year Fixed Rate

6.0% with 0.0 points and $135.00 rebate
5.875% with 0.0 points and $10.00 rebate
5.75% with 0.046 points and $0.00 rebate


Posted by RSO
Member since Apr 2005
385 posts
Posted on 12/22/08 at 4:25 pm to
Those rates suck, comparatively speaking. The best rates are around 4.75% right now.
Posted by Will Cover
Davidson, NC
Member since Mar 2007
39880 posts
Posted on 12/22/08 at 5:24 pm to
Besides a Bankrate, where else do people go to check daily rates?
Posted by TheDoc
doc is no more
Member since Dec 2005
99297 posts
Posted on 12/22/08 at 5:44 pm to
I just got a no money down VA loan, at 5.5 with 0 points, with a 2 month window to take a better rate if it goes down.

good deal?
Posted by Will Cover
Davidson, NC
Member since Mar 2007
39880 posts
Posted on 12/22/08 at 6:56 pm to
The definition of a good deal is when both parties walk away from the deal feeling like they both got screwed.


It sounds as if you got a good deal, but from what I have been reading on here, it appears that many people are finding rates in the 4.75 % range, although I believe many are buying points and not disclosing it, for whatever reason.
Posted by TheDoc
doc is no more
Member since Dec 2005
99297 posts
Posted on 12/22/08 at 8:40 pm to
Yeah I hear ya.

I'm getting no down payment, no points, no pmi, no origination fee, starting at 5.5.

Not bad really.
Posted by Will Cover
Davidson, NC
Member since Mar 2007
39880 posts
Posted on 12/22/08 at 10:10 pm to
as of 12/22/2008 10:01 PM Eastern - Wells Fargo

Product Interest Rate APR

Conforming1 Loans

40-Year Fixed 7.250% 7.462%
30-Year Fixed 5.000% 5.213%
20-Year Fixed 5.125% 5.416%
15-Year Fixed 4.875% 5.241%

5-Year ARM 6.000% 5.206%

Jumbo Loans – Amounts that exceed conforming loan limits1

30-Year Fixed 8.000% 8.166%
15-Year Fixed 7.250% 7.505%
10-Year ARM 7.875% 6.906%
5-Year ARM 6.125% 5.178%

FHA – loan limits vary by county.
30-Year Fixed 5.500% 6.170%
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 12/23/08 at 10:04 am to
quote:

This is your mortgage rate update from AmTrust Bank. These interest rates are accurate as of Dec 22, 2008.




That might have been okay a month or two ago, but not now.
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
91256 posts
Posted on 12/23/08 at 10:28 am to
You need to call and talk to the bank you're wanting to work with. The rate is going to be dependent on your credit score so those rates may or may not be accurate for you.

Again, I'm not convinced we see rates drop significantly because the banks are working overtime to process the flood of refinance requests rolling in. The banker I spoke with thinks no one is going to make a move to lower rates right now while everyone is refinancing at the current rate. Supply & demand & all that.
Posted by silstang23
Bossier City, LA
Member since Oct 2007
4961 posts
Posted on 12/23/08 at 10:41 am to
I am not a homeowner yet but I am looking to buy in the next year. What are points or buying points? Sorry for the rookie question.
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
91256 posts
Posted on 12/23/08 at 10:57 am to
quote:

What are points or buying points?


1 point = 1% of the loan amount. So you would pay $1,000 on a $100,000 loan to 'buy' a lower rate if that rate was discounted by you purchasing one point.

You have to do the math; look at how long it would take to make up that $1,000 at the lower interest rate (2 years? 5?) to decide if buying points is worth it for you.
This post was edited on 12/23/08 at 10:59 am
Posted by silstang23
Bossier City, LA
Member since Oct 2007
4961 posts
Posted on 12/23/08 at 1:50 pm to
quote:

1 point = 1% of the loan amount. So you would pay $1,000 on a $100,000 loan to 'buy' a lower rate if that rate was discounted by you purchasing one point.


Isn't that like a down payment? 10% down buys you 10 points, 20% down buys you 20 points, etc. Or is it separate from a down payment?
Posted by bignate76
baton rouge
Member since Feb 2008
713 posts
Posted on 12/23/08 at 1:56 pm to
as a mortgage broker i can tell you this the fact that people think they can get a below 5% rate today is false. i havent seen one rate sheet today with below 5% not costing buy down. and just keep thinking they will go to 4% thats not going to happen.
Posted by TheDoc
doc is no more
Member since Dec 2005
99297 posts
Posted on 12/23/08 at 2:05 pm to
quote:

and just keep thinking they will go to 4% thats not going to happen.


we shall see...

Posted by RSO
Member since Apr 2005
385 posts
Posted on 12/23/08 at 2:41 pm to
quote:

and just keep thinking they will go to 4% thats not going to happen.


Reasoning behind your thought process?
Posted by bignate76
baton rouge
Member since Feb 2008
713 posts
Posted on 12/23/08 at 2:48 pm to
RSO..very simple the govt is on the hook for 95% of new mortgages right now. that is an increadable low rate..all time in the history of mortgages rate. And being that the rate has climbed for a week straight is a perfect example of the current market status. if they do go below 4.5% it will be for a day then up they go. its the way this works. i have been doing this for 5 yrs and seen the wave every year. did you know for 4 days last Feb. the rate was 5% most people dont know that. its a quick thing.
Posted by HappilyBlended
Saint Amant
Member since Sep 2007
69 posts
Posted on 12/23/08 at 2:52 pm to
quote:

as a mortgage broker i can tell you this the fact that people think they can get a below 5% rate today is false. i havent seen one rate sheet today with below 5% not costing buy down. and just keep thinking they will go to 4% thats not going to happen.


I am also a mortgage banker and locked in 2 loans today at 4.75, and that was even paying me a little YSP. There are a few lenders that will let you buy down the rate in the low 4's, not a lot of them but there are a few.
Posted by bignate76
baton rouge
Member since Feb 2008
713 posts
Posted on 12/23/08 at 2:53 pm to
that was two days ago happy. and the rate moves everyday you know that. i just get a chuckle out of the amount of crazy info on rates.
Posted by RSO
Member since Apr 2005
385 posts
Posted on 12/23/08 at 2:58 pm to
So Nate, you don't see the rates coming back down into 4.5-4.75 range in January? I keep reading that some mortgage-backed securities will be bought by the government to keep the rates in that range, and that lenders are not passing along the savings that they should be to borrowers.
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