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re: Government School Systems are a Jobs program, not real schools
Posted on 5/20/24 at 11:54 am to i am dan
Posted on 5/20/24 at 11:54 am to i am dan
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to reduce class size
Class size is the red herring the union wants us chasing.
We should be chasing common sense disciplinary procedures (including lengthening suspension and mainstreaming expulsion) and science-based instructional practices.
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Posted on 5/20/24 at 11:59 am to i am dan
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And performance just gets worse and worse each year.
Correct and that is a huge driver as to why I’m so pessimistic about the long term health of the country. We are producing millions of uneducated and entitled idiots and they’ll vote soon enough.
Posted on 5/20/24 at 12:10 pm to TigerAxeOK
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Most 16 year old Asian students are proficient in advanced trigonometry.
Not true.
It is probably true that most 16 year old Chinese students in an academic track are proficient in trig, but China—like most of the rest of the world—tracks students according to academic ability. Only students with the aptitude get into academic tracks by high school.
Also, China doesn't require high school at all. You can quit school after junior high if you want. So the weaker academic students are either on a trade track or not in school at all by the time they are 16.
So what you're comparing is their best vs our everyone.
I've posted this a zillion times but here it is again—the best and first thing that should happen if anyone wants to improve our educational system is for it to stop being compulsory. Apart from being unconstitutional to begin with, it gums up the system with students who have no interest and/or aptitude for learning. It drags everyone down, including teachers and administration, not to mention fellow students.
Posted on 5/20/24 at 12:12 pm to the808bass
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We should be chasing common sense disciplinary procedures (including lengthening suspension and mainstreaming expulsion)
Which would be possible if we canned the unconstitutional compulsory mandate that every child has to go to school.
Get rid of that and not only could you enforce behavioral standards, but also academic standards. If you're not cutting it academically, you don't get to come back. Like only private prep schools do now.
Imagine that.
Posted on 5/20/24 at 12:20 pm to i am dan
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hiring more teachers to reduce class size may contribute to the larger increase in administration??
That's not administration
Posted on 5/20/24 at 12:26 pm to Figgy
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y I’m so pessimistic about the long term health of the country.
California education system is the canary in the coal mine.
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The gist of the scores, the most extensive measure so far of the COVID-19 pandemic’s impact on student achievement: The percentage of California students meeting state math standards plummeted 7 percentage points to 33%, and the percentage meeting English language standards dropped 4 percentage points, to 47%.
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The reading scores of Black and Hispanic students are even worse. Across grade levels last year, only 30.3 percent of Black students and 36.4 percent of Hispanic students in California met grade-level ELA standards.
Additionally, California’s fourth grade reading scores are tied with those of four other states (New York, Texas, Virginia, and Tennessee) for 32nd place in the nation, despite an education budget amounting to over $21,000 per student each year.
All of this is because California's focus is creating equal outcomes, which will never happen.
Posted on 5/20/24 at 1:14 pm to RebelExpress38
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I bet if you adjust education results in the US to account for parent involvement, the kids who score the highest also have 2 parents in the home who are committed to helping their child learn daily.
What a novel idea; putting the blame where it belongs.
The people who decry "government schools" are on par with the ones who blame guns for the murder rate.
However, in both of these cases, the Federal Government's subsidizing bad decision making and removing involved fathers from homes is the ultimate problem, along with entitled people who ignore their kids and their problems.
Posted on 5/20/24 at 1:29 pm to i am dan
But they didn’t hire more teachers. Number of teachers were in line with attendance, actually down from Pre-COVID ratios.
Try again
Try again
This post was edited on 5/20/24 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 5/20/24 at 1:34 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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California education system is the canary in the coal mine.
The district we're in, Clovis Unified, is tremendous and a reflection of the community at large. It has a 95.6% graduation rate with a student body of 49,000. That's unheard of but we're the exception to the rule in the state. Credit goes to the people around here for making a hyper successful school district. You can't legislate these things.
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All of this is because California's focus is creating equal outcomes, which will never happen.
As a state you'd get no argument from me. The people in charge are hellbent on creating their utopia which is anything but.
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The percentage of California students meeting state math standards plummeted 7 percentage points to 33%, and the percentage meeting English language standards dropped 4 percentage points, to 47%.The reading scores of Black and Hispanic students are even worse. Across grade levels last year, only 30.3 percent of Black students and 36.4 percent of Hispanic students in California met grade-level ELA standards.
Once these people start breeding most of their kids will end up in the same position if not worse. We're quite literally seeing the opening sequence of Idiocracy play out in real time.
Posted on 5/20/24 at 1:34 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Education in this country would be cheaper if one housewife agreed to teach 6-7 kid in her home and parents paid her directly.
Or like the Amish elementary schools where junior high and HS girls teach the kids. The kids test among the top on the state tests and assessments.
Posted on 5/20/24 at 2:11 pm to AUauditor
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What a novel idea; putting the blame where it belongs. The people who decry "government schools" are on par with the ones who blame guns for the murder rate. However, in both of these cases, the Federal Government's subsidizing bad decision making and removing involved fathers from homes is the ultimate problem, along with entitled people who ignore their kids and their problems.
To be clear, privatization of schools and forcing them to compete would be better than the current structure even if were magically a perfect world and all the parents were involved. There is too much room for waste and bloat when the government has the monopoly on it.
The root problem is the parents not taking responsibility for their kids education. Another almost equally large problem is massive bloat and zero accountability in school districts where there is no incentive to improve or force parents to care for their kids.
Posted on 5/20/24 at 3:03 pm to wackatimesthree
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I've posted this a zillion times but here it is again—the best and first thing that should happen if anyone wants to improve our educational system is for it to stop being compulsory. Apart from being unconstitutional to begin with, it gums up the system with students who have no interest and/or aptitude for learning. It drags everyone down, including teachers and administration, not to mention fellow students.
I agree with. School should be a privilege not a requirement. The students that refuse to learn and can't behave should not be allowed in schools. We should focus on the brightest kids to push them as far as possible. These are the ones that will change the future. One genius with knowledge will do more for the advancement of society than 100 average people.
The less academic kids should be pushed to trades or let them quit and start working at 14. The troublemakers should be put in labor camps.
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