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re: Gubment was top source of Covid misinformation
Posted on 5/18/24 at 8:25 am to FoTownBam
Posted on 5/18/24 at 8:25 am to FoTownBam
As I always need to remind folks when I bust out the Busey gif, no one is claiming exclusive info. Just gently reminding folks that some people were at the top of the spear since Day One.
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Posted on 5/18/24 at 8:26 am to NC_Tigah
People trying to blame Trump for the pandemic are demanding that he should have acted exactly like they accuse him of being - dictatorial.
The swamp is deep - and may well be unmanageable without some help from congress - and that would require some cooperation from the senate.
We MUST reduce the enormous over-employment of the federal bureaucracy.
If 30% of them suddenly turned into passive robots, it would take years before anyone noticed - and that would only be because the paychecks were not being cashed.
The swamp is deep - and may well be unmanageable without some help from congress - and that would require some cooperation from the senate.
We MUST reduce the enormous over-employment of the federal bureaucracy.
If 30% of them suddenly turned into passive robots, it would take years before anyone noticed - and that would only be because the paychecks were not being cashed.
Posted on 5/18/24 at 8:31 am to RogerTheShrubber
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A lack of leadership.
This "nobody could have done better" stuff is some serious, serious whitewashing of what happened. I've said several times that the validity of his actions faded as time went on. Early on? Yeah, nobody knew shite and we had to play it safe. The longer it went the more it became obvious that we had overreacted and he just didn't handle it well. He didn't make the worst decisions possible but he damn sure didn't make the best decisions possible And the longer it went the more some states/cities started ignoring the hysteria, so you can't claim that everybody was on the same page by then. When was it he was bitching about Georgia opening up, telling Kemp small business would just have to suck it up?
If you want to say his actions were reasonable, I'd agree with that, especially in the first 3-4 months. But his actions were the best possible at every step of the way? That's laughable bullshite.
Posted on 5/18/24 at 8:38 am to Flats
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So it was perfect or optimized if you want pinpoint accuracy. Nobody could have possibly done better than Trump.
Really?
bless your heart name one thing Trump could have done which would have had wide support from the Democrats - without acting like what they already accused him of = being a dictator.
Wild-eyed democrat fanatical Fauci is the target of any discontent wrt what went wrong with our response to COVID - and he was acting for the express BENEFIT of the DEMOCRAT party.
Think back and try to imagine the reaction if Trump had attempted to 'fire' Fauci.
most democrats are too dumb to realize just how dumb they really are. pathetic
Posted on 5/18/24 at 8:41 am to Crimson Wraith
Today’s conspiracy theories are tomorrow’s truth.
Rings true again.
Rings true again.
Posted on 5/18/24 at 8:44 am to Flats
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Early on? Yeah, nobody knew shite and we had to play it safe.
true dat = I was skeptical, but this thing was presented by the 'experts' (Fauci, et al) as and extinction-level threat - nobody could have responsibly done anything but treat it as an emergency.
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If you want to say his actions were reasonable, I'd agree with that, especially in the first 3-4 months. But his actions were the best possible at every step of the way? That's laughable bullshite.
/\ THIS /\ is the only logical idea that holds any sway in the aftermath of this TREASONOUS action by the DEMOCRAT/CHINA cabal.
Posted on 5/18/24 at 8:49 am to Flats
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he just didn't handle it well. He didn't make the worst decisions possible but he damn sure didn't make the best decisions possible
Trumps problem with COVID is he offered no real resistance to the purveyors.
I certainly dont blame him for all of it, but I do blame him for not being the stop gap he SHOULD have been between Covidians and the public.
There were already ideas that shutdowns would be more harmful than needed in April 2024 but we kept the hammer down.
Surrounding himself with worthless cretins didnt help matters. I dont believe they had his or our best interest in mind.
The way these programs were administered were a total abomination. I worked for Labor at the time, most unemployment went to people it should not have gone to.
It was a national rip off.
This post was edited on 5/18/24 at 8:52 am
Posted on 5/18/24 at 8:56 am to ChineseBandit58
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name one thing Trump could have done which would have had wide support from the Democrats
Wet noodle logic. Democrats don’t care if Republicans support anything they do.
Trump got steamrolled DC bureaucrats and he pushed for big government crap like the CARES Act.
Posted on 5/18/24 at 9:13 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:You're mistaken, badly.
Once we were stuck with the catastrophic need to shutdown,
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Never happened.
quote:At the time of the shutdown, we simply did not have enough information/data to effectively delineate that.
The smart thing to do would have been quarantining at risk people, not bailing out the entire country.
quote:Generally, if you've found existing plans have totally blown up, a pause to reenvision/reassess/reformulate the approach is wise.
"15 days to stop the spread." We knew it was absolute bullshite.
A pause/shutdown should never have been necessary, but the CDC made it so. Now if you want to argue the CDC was Trump's responsibility, therefore he should have personally overseen the design and manufacture of all CV19 test kits, have at it. But once that failure manifested, we were flying blind in a system designed for full illumination.
Posted on 5/18/24 at 9:22 am to NC_Tigah
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Never happened.
You're mistaken, badly.
Absolutely not. We overreacted poorly.
You dont quarantine healthy people and shut their ability to make a living down over sparse information.
What we did was an embarrassment to humanity. Overreacting on fear, screwing up our future.
This post was edited on 5/18/24 at 9:24 am
Posted on 5/18/24 at 10:08 am to NC_Tigah
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but the CDC made it so.
Government officials made it so. Most CDC power is soft power.
If I remember correctly, you also supported the bailouts of banks in 2008-2009
Which is why we now have "too big to fail" and will continually bail out failures.
There is no one standing between "us" and them, even Donald Trump. They are complicit.
This inflation isnt "transitory" like your people are telling you. Its permanent and was largely preventable.
This post was edited on 5/18/24 at 10:11 am
Posted on 5/18/24 at 10:17 am to Crimson Wraith
No doubt. But gullible people are it up and carried the torch for them and caused all kinds of issues of which we will probably be dealing with for a long time.
Posted on 5/18/24 at 10:24 am to diat150
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But gullible people are it up and carried the torch for them and caused all kinds of issues of which we will probably be dealing with for a long time.
Yep, our kids and grandkids will hate us for what we've done to them.
Adults so afraid of life, they'll destroy future generations.
Posted on 5/18/24 at 10:50 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Remember what was front and center with this crap at the outset? It was the Imperial College's prediction of millions of deaths. Kind of hard to swim up river when most of your "scientists" are pushing the panic button. Should he have pushed back? Maybe. But he's not a doctor or scientist. The Failure of Imperial College's modeling
A lack of leadership.
Posted on 5/18/24 at 11:12 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:You don't make presumptions about quarantining when the principles driving the premise are elusive to you. You either don't understand the dynamic we were faced with in March 2020, or have forgotten about it.
You dont quarantine healthy people and shut their ability to make a living down over sparse information.
If you are addressing various individual statewide extended shutdowns, you'll get no argument from me.
Posted on 5/18/24 at 11:16 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:100%.
If I remember correctly, you also supported the bailouts of banks in 2008-2009
TARP was a brilliant backstop. It was a "bailout" that made money for the government. You weren't in favor of it?
Posted on 5/18/24 at 11:21 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:The CDC catastrophe wasn't about "CDC power." It was about the CDC's blithering incompetence, and misplaced public trust that the CDC was up to its most rudimentary tasking.
Most CDC power is soft power.
Posted on 5/18/24 at 2:19 pm to NC_Tigah
wow
Posted on 5/18/24 at 5:05 pm to NC_Tigah
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The CDC catastrophe wasn't about "CDC power." It was about the CDC's blithering incompetence, and misplaced public trust that the CDC was up to its most rudimentary tasking.
It wasn't incompetence that had the CDC directing state health bureaucrats to call a murder/suicide two "Covid deaths". It was an out of control political agenda the agency took on that Trump and those he installed to run the agency failed to rein in.
Posted on 5/18/24 at 5:13 pm to Diamondawg
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But he's not a doctor or scientist.
This isn't an excuse.
Any chief executive proves his worth by knowing who/what to believe and filtering out the bullshite and noise.
Biden isn't a military planner or an economist or a border security expert, but we rightfully have no problem blaming him for the disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan, the dumpster fire he's turned the economy into or the ten million illegals that have invaded since he took office.
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