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re: Florida deputy fatally shot US airman that answered the door with a gun

Posted on 5/10/24 at 8:57 am to
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
25997 posts
Posted on 5/10/24 at 8:57 am to
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I said this earlier in the thread, but it’s disconcerting and it’s not like a normal person knocking on the door.



B/c people that are coming to shoot you knock on the door loudly. That's generally how people get murdered, so yeah you should be worried someone is after you when they knock like that at 430PM.

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He could have not shot the guy immediately.


i 100% agree. He should have pointed the gun at him immediately and yelled at him to drop the weapon.

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He also could have announced himself as police the first time he beat on the door.


why does that matter? It's 430PM.
He announced it the next two times b/c he wasn't getting an answer, and probably figured if he says he's the police he'll get an answer, which he did.

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He could have gone back down to check with the lady who gave him directions when he realized they were conflicting (she told him to go one way, but the apt number she gave him was the other way).



He went to the right apartment.

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I don’t think opening the door with a gun in his hand was smart by the resident. But I also don’t think that makes it the resident’s fault. The fact that he could have taken steps to avoid being shot doesn’t suddenly make it lawful.



at no point have i said it was unlawful what he did. i said it was stupid and he deserves some blame for what happened.
Anytime you bring a gun out to any situation, you've now escalated that situation. Any responsible gun owner understands that. It's not a toy, and it's not a device to simply use as a threat. You bring a gun out, you better be ready to use it wisely.
Opening the door at 430PM to a guy announcing to you he's a cop, and then standing there with the gun clearly in your hand isn't smart. Even if it wasn't a cop, it's still stupid to do. legal yes. stupid. yes.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
26127 posts
Posted on 5/10/24 at 9:14 am to
If you get executed by an agent of the government for exercising your Constitutional right while in your domicile it is a problem. Period.

BTW I love how the cop screams drop the gun after putting 6 rounds in him but not before.
Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
22789 posts
Posted on 5/10/24 at 9:26 am to
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Opening the door at 430PM to a guy announcing to you he's a cop, and then standing there with the gun clearly in your hand isn't smart. Even if it wasn't a cop, it's still stupid to do. legal yes. stupid. yes.


This means it’s a bad shoot and cop should faces legal and civil consequences.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
9749 posts
Posted on 5/10/24 at 9:28 am to
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B/c people that are coming to shoot you knock on the door loudly. That's generally how people get murdered, so yeah you should be worried someone is after you when they knock like that at 430PM.

…ok?

I just said it’s disconcerting. I didn’t say it means that Jack the Ripper is hanging out on your porch. If it’s not a cop then maybe it’s a scammer, or a crazy, or maybe it’s the lady from down the hall who was actually getting beaten by her husband trying to run away.

It doesn’t really matter, other than being unsettling when someone beats on your door and then you look out and don’t see anyone.
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why does that matter? It's 430PM.

Because he fricking hid right after knocking, for starters.
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He went to the right apartment.

He went to the apartment number she told him. That doesn’t mean he went to the right apartment. Again, the lady was clearly unsure of the apartment number. First she says she doesn’t know. Then she says “1401.” Then she says “it’s on this side” (the side where she was standing). Cop goes up and starts walking that way, but 1401 is the opposite way so he turns around.

My initial reaction was not to blame the cop for that. However, it seems like he was treating it as a fairly hostile scenario considering he was taking cover after knocking. So yes, he could have gone back down to verify that the lady gave him the right apartment number.
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Opening the door at 430PM to a guy announcing to you he's a cop, and then standing there with the gun clearly in your hand isn't smart.

I don’t disagree. However, the period between the cop knocking and the first time the cop says anything is much longer than the period between the cop announcing himself and the resident opening the door. As I’ve said before, I suspect that the resident had gone to the door, didn’t see anyone, and picked up the pistol.. but then opened the door (without putting the pistol down) when the cop actually announced himself. I find it highly unlikely that he picked the pistol up after the cop announced himself, given the timing.

Should he have put it away before opening up? Yes. Can I understand how he might have frozen up once he finally started hearing “sherrif’s office, open the door!”? Yes.
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