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re: Biblical Solutions that we use to honor and would solve alot of problems

Posted on 3/26/24 at 10:18 pm to
Posted by BCreed1
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Posted on 3/26/24 at 10:18 pm to
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Mark, Matthew, and Luke all copying off each other all used different words for “needle”, with one being a general fabric sewing needle and another being a surgeon’s needle.

You will hear a rumor that the eye of the needle was the proper name of a small gate in the wall in Jerusalem. There’s no evidence for that though. Seeing as Mark Matthew and Luke used different names kills the proper name excuse.


Totally false, not that it matters in the context of this thread. There is no evidence to suggest they copied off of each other. None.

I get that you think you are cute and all educating the dumb Christians, but you are just showing some ignorance.

The point of this (if there was a gate or not, a rope or not) is not lost and it's meaning is the same.

"Eye of a Needle" has been used through out time. Even to Koran mentions the "eye of a Needle". Did Mark and his brethren copy the Koran?

etc etc.


None of that matters in the meaning.



Posted by Squirrelmeister
Member since Nov 2021
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Posted on 3/27/24 at 7:40 am to
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Totally false, not that it matters in the context of this thread. There is no evidence to suggest they copied off of each other. None.

No, it is just that you have never researched the topic or you are willfully ignoring the evidence - resulting in your ignorance.

How editorial fatigue shows Matthew and Luke copied Mark

But you don’t have to read scholarship, if you’d only just read the gospels you’d have figured it out on your own. Why else would there be word for word copying - in Greek?

But don’t take my word for it. Take the writer of Luke’s own words from chapter 1:

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1Inasmuch as many have undertaken to compile a narrative of the things that have been accomplished among us, 2just as those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and ministers of the word have delivered them to us, 3it seemed good to me also, having followed all things closely for some time past, to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, 4that you may have certainty concerning the things you have been taught.

Luke is outright stating there are “many” gospel accounts before his and that they were delivered to “us” and that he specifically is NOT an eyewitness to any of these alleged events.

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The point of this (if there was a gate or not, a rope or not) is not lost and it's meaning is the same.

Agreed, it is impossible for someone like you who hasn’t given away all their possessions and lived like a vagabond to enter heaven. Do you have a savings, a home, a 401(k)? Then you are the rich man Jesus was talking about.

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"Eye of a Needle" has been used through out time. Even to Koran mentions the "eye of a Needle".

Except that in Mark, Matthew, and Luke, a different Greek word was used for “needle”.

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Did Mark and his brethren copy the Koran?

Mark most likely copied the original gospel widely distributed as the “Evangelikon” by Markion of Sinope who compiled the first Christian Bible. The other part of Markion’s Bible was called the “Apostolikon” and was basically the undisputed epistles of Paul plus Colossians and Ephesians (though it was not called Ephesians). Markion’s gospel is all but lost except for a boatload of writings of the early church fathers and it was quoted so much that it can basically be reconstructed. The Evangelikon was just an earlier version of Luke (that Markion specifically claimed to NOT have written though no one knows for sure). Mark revised the Evangelikon and started spreading his own version. Matthew revised Mark and began to circulate his version. Luke revised the Evangelikon but in doing so added some material from Mark and Matthew.

And by the way, Matthew, Mark, and Luke were just the names assigned to the different versions of the Gospels that they had to accept as divinely inspired in order to unite the groups of churches using each version under their authority in Rome.

None of the gospels we have were written by people who claimed firsthand to be an eyewitness. The only written words in the entire Bible that were a first person eyewitness claim was of Paul. 1 Corinthians 15:8. That’s it, the only firsthand account of anyone claiming to have seen Jesus, and that was after his death and resurrection. Paul even stated when Jesus appeared to him, he had been brought up the the third heaven and didn’t know if he was in his body or out of his body. 2 Corinthians 12:2.
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