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I find it more absurd for an intelligent person to think they know what truth is in this world.

Do you believe in sentient planet sized space boogers flying through the universe?

I find that at least more plausible than supernatural events with what we all generally discuss as "ghosts."

The only difference is, we are a primitive species that are still deeply connected to past beliefs and the collective conscious that moves through all of us in an informational sense. It makes sense that mankind hasn't shaken all of its superstitions and thoughts like this, but it doesn't make it a probable reality.

moreover, EVERYONE thinks they know the truth on plenty of things. I'm no different than you or anyone else.

when it comes to ghosts. i think that shite is hilariously silly.

My take on all this is, we are constantly learning about new things we used to not know about, or understand. Science is just applying what we think we understand and know, to what we perceive.

Look at your smartphone. Ever do a video chat? In theory, you can do that with someone on the other side of the globe. A few centuries ago, most people would find that concept "hilariously silly", as you put it. That's because it involves fields of study not even conceived of at the time.

Now take "the supernatural", which is basically something we rarely ever even perceive. We just don't have the slightest idea what a spirit or soul would even be comprised of, so how would you detect or measure it? But a lack of understanding and knowledge doesn't ensure it doesn't exist, simply means we currently have no clue where to begin.

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Posted by oleheat

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Posted on 3/25/24 at 3:20 pm to Scoob

How about the idea of demonic possession?

Let's take the case of Ted Bundy. What makes a man become such a murderous evil monster? After he was captured for the last time, he claimed he felt like he himself wasn't in control during at least some of his hideous acts. No excuses- he did it- but someone like that makes the idea move a little closer to plausibility....Or, maybe that's just another way to try and find reason for something void of any reason other than he was just an evil bastard....

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Posted by m2pro

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Posted on 3/25/24 at 4:29 pm to Scoob

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Now take "the supernatural", which is basically something we rarely ever even perceive. We just don't have the slightest idea what a spirit or soul would even be comprised of, so how would you detect or measure it? But a lack of understanding and knowledge doesn't ensure it doesn't exist, simply means we currently have no clue where to begin.

I hear you, but I contend we -never- experience or perceive the supernatural. Many see what they want to, but nothing supernatural has ever happened, is my contention.

And let me define supernatural:

That which cannot happen on an infinite timeline as explainable by science. Not to be confused with -extraordinarily rare- events whose timing is impossibly well timed for surprise.

I get that 413 things happening in sequence ALL to make X, Y or Z happen JUST at the right time is a reasonable conclusion that the Almighty sent help (etc). But, a true supernatural event would be something that cannot ever happen within the bounds of science or physics. And to that end, I say no supernatural events have ever happened.

I hear you, and your argument, and I don't think it's 100% absurd to believe in anything supernatural in the context of God, but I myself do not subscribe to that.

Ghosts, on the other hand? As silly as vampires, werewolves, loch ness monster, big foot, etc. (at least the latter two have some semblance of sanity, although absurd none the less)

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As a matter of fact, it's sort of this whole thing that unseated my faith in the stories we got growing up about religion and the bible. When I fully realized, deep down, that I did not believe in miracles or the supernatural, it was what toppled my house of cards in faith. I still hope, a LOT... and i hope even more that I'm wrong because I believe in a God that sees me and knows my mind and heart etc. I don't wanna die and there be nothing. it's just one of those topics i've given an extraordinary amount of thought about.

i'm all ears if you can prove the supernatural. alas, i've seen no real proof of anything of the sort. and buddy, i have looked.

This post was edited on 3/25/24 at 4:37 pm

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