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re: The purpose of separation of church and state
Posted on 3/23/24 at 7:41 pm to Mid Iowa Tiger
Posted on 3/23/24 at 7:41 pm to Mid Iowa Tiger
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Wrong.
So James Madison was wrong?
And you're more knowledgeable about the founding fathers mindset than him?
Posted on 3/23/24 at 8:39 pm to BayouBlitz
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So James Madison was wrong?
No.
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And you're more knowledgeable about the founding fathers mindset than him?
Nope. I read his actual writings to see his intent was for the state to stay out of the church's business, not the church out of the state's business.
Posted on 3/24/24 at 7:14 am to BayouBlitz
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Wrong.
So James Madison was wrong?
And you're more knowledgeable about the founding fathers mindset than hi
"The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe with blood for centuries."
What is your source that verifies, unequivocally, that this is a James Madison quote?
This post was edited on 3/24/24 at 7:16 am
Posted on 3/24/24 at 12:28 pm to BayouBlitz
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And you're more knowledgeable about the founding fathers mindset than him?
Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story was a contemporary of the founders. He was fine with the State favoring Christianity.
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In his work, A Familiar Exposition of the Constitution of the United States, Justice Story, had this to say about the purpose the First Amendment:
We are not to attribute this prohibition of a national religious establishment [in the First Amendment] to an indifference to religion in general, and especially to Christianity (which none could hold in more reverence than the framers of the Constitution)....
Probably, at the time of the adoption of the Constitution, and of the Amendment to it now under consideration, the general, if not the universal, sentiment in America was, that Christianity ought to receive encouragement from the State so far as was not incompatible with the private rights of conscience and the freedom of religious worship.
Any attempt to level all religions, and to make it a matter of state policy to hold all in utter indifference, would have created universal disapprobation, if not universal indignation.
In other words, the purpose of the First Amendment was to protect a religious people from the government -- not to protect the government from a religious people. It is perfectly all right, under the First Amendment, for the Government of the United States to favor Christianity over other faiths -- so long as other faiths are not persecuted by the government, and so long as the national government does not attempt to set up a national church, such as the Anglican Church in England.
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