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re: Ukrainians are finally committing Abrams and losing them
Posted on 3/3/24 at 11:09 pm to LemmyLives
Posted on 3/3/24 at 11:09 pm to LemmyLives
The balance has shifted towards anti tank munitions. Armor is at a disadvantage currently.
It is an arms race though. The Russian are equipping their tanks with drone jammers.
It is an arms race though. The Russian are equipping their tanks with drone jammers.
This post was edited on 3/3/24 at 11:11 pm
Posted on 3/4/24 at 12:05 am to BlackPawnMartyr
quote:yeah, losing 15+k troops and several hundred armored vehicles to take one town is pretty funny
Avdiivka Direction
Posted on 3/4/24 at 12:30 am to narddogg81
Mediazona is a western effort to track Russian military deaths. It looks government funded. The project counts obituaries and death notices on social media.
LINK
Between October and January they report 5,500 confirmed deaths, and the rate drops from October to January. This makes sense, the Russians used small units to crack open the defenses, supported by a lot of artillery and heavy airstrikes.
Their losses were orders of magnitude lower.
LINK
Between October and January they report 5,500 confirmed deaths, and the rate drops from October to January. This makes sense, the Russians used small units to crack open the defenses, supported by a lot of artillery and heavy airstrikes.
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several hundred armored vehicles to take one town
Their losses were orders of magnitude lower.
This post was edited on 3/4/24 at 12:37 am
Posted on 3/4/24 at 12:33 am to narddogg81
Ah youre repeating the talking points after Ukraine failed to defend one of its most heavily defended lines left on the battlefield. Not a very good result after the miserably failed attempt at a spring...err...summer..errr..fall counter "offensive". But by all means keep repeating the tired British propaganda directly posted to the Nato war thread on OT.
Posted on 3/4/24 at 12:35 am to GhostOfFreedom
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The Ukrainians should have dug in and built defenses like Russia did and then begin peace talks.
So they should have given up?
Posted on 3/4/24 at 12:39 am to Lima Whiskey
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Armor is at a disadvantage currently
I think media (largely truthfully) has never made anyone want to be in a B-17, C-47, or anything with wheels or tracks less.
Remember the quote from SPR? "Five men is an opportunity.
One is a waste of ammo." That's what I feel about vehicles of any sort.
The IDF seemed to have taken all of this anti-drone/RPG tech and standardized it. Us shipping Abrams to people stripped (I'm assuming) of potentially intelligence compromising tech, I don't know how that'll work out.
Meanwhile, we're decommissioning A-10s at Davis Monthan. Does anyone thing those could be employed? Bueller? Bueller? Of course, their pilots would not measure to ours, but... Stick airframes in the desert while the Russians are sending flights of SU-25s over?
It's a shite show of proportions not witnessed by people in our generation.
Posted on 3/4/24 at 12:45 am to Eurocat
Logically, yes
Limit your losses and hope for a chance to reverse them in the future.
Limit your losses and hope for a chance to reverse them in the future.
Posted on 3/4/24 at 1:41 am to GhostOfFreedom
The Abrams that Ukraine is getting is not like the modern Abrams. Armor is different and fire control / optics are different. Modern Abrams is very good but throughout history the key to US Armor has been the crew, more than the tank. Same applies for the Bradley.
Posted on 3/4/24 at 3:55 am to GhostOfFreedom
quote:Wait ... what?
the greatest counter offensive in history
Posted on 3/4/24 at 6:16 am to NC_Tigah
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Wait ... what?
Haven't had my coffee yet, but I think that was sarcasm
Posted on 3/4/24 at 6:28 am to LemmyLives
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It's a shite show of proportions not witnessed by people in our generation.
agreed …..not unlike most of Victoria Nuland led color revolutions. This war is entirely led by the IC ….. one of the reasons the nightly news coverage is glaringly different than the Hamas-Israel conflict.
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