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Posted on 2/21/24 at 9:49 pm to SWLA92
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The crawfish acres right now has peaked imo. They won’t get above 350,000 acres in the future.
We will just have to agree to disagree.
The basin will likely come on strong and afford everyone to restock with new genetics in the rice fields. The same thing happened after the horrible droughts in and 2004 and 2005. We were pumping salt water from ground wells damn near I-10 in Jeff Davis Parish those years. Since then...land brokers and several extremely wealthy individuals have been buying up everything that is for sale or forcing sales. The rice base acreage subsidy payments are big business now. Crawfish, while lucrative, only serves to keep a few smaller farmers head above water. They will eventually be bought out and no crawfish acreage will be lost. If anything...it will increase.
This post was edited on 2/21/24 at 9:51 pm
Posted on 2/21/24 at 9:49 pm to SWLA92
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Crawfish is what pays the bills. You can’t just make it farming rice. That’s why everyone has crawfish with their rice operation. So yeah Rice farmers will go out of business if this continues.
Have to ask: Arkansas has triple the rice farm acreage in production and as far as I know, don't "make it" by supplementing crawfish farming. Is this accurate IYO?
Posted on 2/21/24 at 9:53 pm to Sao
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, don't "make it" by supplementing crawfish farming. Is this accurate IYO?
I imagine yes because of the climate
Posted on 2/21/24 at 9:53 pm to SWLA92
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Crawfish is what pays the bills. You can’t just make it farming rice. That’s why everyone has crawfish with their rice operation. So yeah Rice farmers will go out of business if this continues.
Sounds like you want to socialize the losses, but capitalize the gains. Any biz has risk especially agriculture which is heavily affected by weather. Do you put aside money for a rainy season? Do you pay fair taxes on all your crawfish production every year? I know plenty of farmers that grow crawfish as a cash crop. If you can not pay about 20% taxes every year, then you are ahead of the majority that pay taxes every year. It is a bad year- we can't control the weather and that is the risk of farming.
This post was edited on 2/21/24 at 9:54 pm
Posted on 2/21/24 at 9:53 pm to Sao
Arkansas has better yields than Louisiana. They have better land. That’s the only way I can think they “make it”
Posted on 2/21/24 at 9:54 pm to Sao
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Have to ask: Arkansas has triple the rice farm acreage in production and as far as I know, don't "make it" by supplementing crawfish farming. Is this accurate IYO?
This is true. Several of those guys and Missouri guys are actively buying land down here now. The industry is moving to fewer farmers planting more land.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 9:57 pm to tigerbaiter
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Does one of them Operate out of Cottonport?
??? Honestly don’t know who those “3” might be - as I recall that Cottonport wholesaler is a very sizable operation.
I’ll say this, crawfish farmers/Basin fishermen have thought that buyers/wholesalers have colluded to set or fix prices for crawfish for decades - this is not new to the industry. Certainly phone calls are made, information shared among buyers.
I’ll also state that more than a few wholesalers/processors started out as crawfish farmers or Basin fishermen, before expanding into the “buying” phase, some still farm crawfish (or family members do) to some extent, so many have some appreciation of farmer’s expenses and what’s required for them to turn a profit.
I’ve heard the arguments from both sides, buyers/wholesalers & farmers/Basin fishermen - they all have valid points and concerns when comes to turning a profit. Seafood is a tough business - I tip my hat to all of them that take the risk.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 9:57 pm to loogaroo
You do realize that there was 2 farms Jeff Davis Parish bought out by big investors that are planting trees on them as we speak. I’m talking about 2 farms totaling 1500 acres. So just that right there takes away 1500 acres. Also we haven’t gotten a rice subsidy in years. To get a rice subsidy the price of rice has to be below $22.60 a barrel. We haven’t been below that in probably 5 years, with the rising cost of inputs the farmers have been getting above $22.60.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 9:58 pm to SWLA92
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They have better land. That’s the only way I can think they “make it”
They embraced precision farming while we held on to the old conventional ways longer. In some instances...Crawfish allowed for that down here, but it's inevitable with the cost of production now.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 10:00 pm to LeGrosChat
Yes anytime I make a profit I put it up upgrade my equipment only when I need to. I don’t get paid in cash for my crawfish I show it all on my taxes. I agree weather is the biggest risk in agriculture there’s nothing you can do about it.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 10:02 pm to SWLA92
horseshite. It has nothing to do with the “headache” it’s the 35-55 year olds who are snatching up every goddamn inch of farmable land to expand their operations. Unless a young man in born into a farm family he has NO chance unless even if he could get financed. You gonna rent you your farm to a 22 year old with a 4840, disk and a full time job on the side?
Posted on 2/21/24 at 10:02 pm to loogaroo
Precision farming is becoming more involved around here. I’m talking about from a soil standpoint in Arkansas especially closer to the Mississippi River that’s some of the best soil/land in the nation. They can grow a variety of crops there.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 10:03 pm to Nome tiger
That’s my point
Posted on 2/21/24 at 10:07 pm to SWLA92
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The older farmers are getting out the business there’s just not enough young farmers anymore. No young person wants the headache of farming. You can’t just wake up one day and decide to farm. Yeah some farmers might absorb neighboring farms that go idle but there will still be a void.
Supply all go down, prices up, which brings more supply.
The cycle only changes when the government gets involved
Posted on 2/21/24 at 10:09 pm to SWLA92
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I’m talking about from a soil standpoint in Arkansas especially closer to the Mississippi River that’s some of the best soil/land in the nation. They can grow a variety of crops there.
So, what do you think of this map, although a bit dated? Rice is better suited in the SW part of LA?
This post was edited on 2/21/24 at 10:13 pm
Posted on 2/21/24 at 10:13 pm to Sao
Arkansas produces more rice than us but they also plant 2+million acres compared to 400,000 acres Louisiana produces
This post was edited on 2/21/24 at 10:22 pm
Posted on 2/21/24 at 10:14 pm to Sao
Here is a more updated map from LSU 2018
Rice
>
Crawdish
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By looking at these maps, you can perceive the living infrastructure of our most important highways and waterways. See how cotton, crawfish, and rice embrace the Mississippi River; oyster farming lines the coast; and other industries, such as poultry and honey, are more widespread. While crawfish and oysters might compete for the title of most emblematic food in the state, you might be surprised to learn that poultry is Louisiana’s largest food industry.
Rice
> Crawdish
This post was edited on 2/21/24 at 10:16 pm
Posted on 2/21/24 at 10:15 pm to SWLA92
Wasn't my point.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 10:16 pm to Sao
What was your point?
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