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BJJ practitioners: any concern about carotid artery dissection?

Posted on 2/10/24 at 7:59 pm
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 2/10/24 at 7:59 pm
Basically, choke causes microtear in artery Clot forms, which later breaks off and travels to the brain, causing a stroke. LINK
Posted by Odysseus32
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 2/10/24 at 8:22 pm to
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Posted by SaintTiger80
Member since Feb 2020
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Posted on 2/10/24 at 10:56 pm to
What if, while riding my bike, I fall and hit my head on the concrete and die?

Swimming in the ocean?

Hiking a mountain?

Driving a car is probably the most dangerous thing we do every day.

Life can be risky, but sometimes it’s worth the risk to enjoy life.
Posted by MWP
Kingwood, TX via Monroe, LA
Member since Jul 2013
10509 posts
Posted on 2/11/24 at 1:38 pm to
Never really even thought about this honestly. I’m more worried about the 2 stripe white belt spazzing out on me. I guess if it really bothered me, I would tap the moment someone locked in a choke on me instead of fighting every sub like it’s a life or death outcome.
Posted by SaintTiger80
Member since Feb 2020
456 posts
Posted on 2/12/24 at 2:29 pm to
Other than the philosophical advice..

As a bjj blue belt, either:
1) You are being too stubborn and need to tap earlier. You will be submitted 100s of times so there is no sense trying to tough it out once you are caught in a good choke. Just tap and reset. You’ll get more reps in and progress faster anyway.

2) The person you are rolling with is out of control and dangerous. If you get the feeling that he is trying to crank a choke too hard or is just overly aggressive in general. End the round and say I’m done rolling with you. You need to trust the people you are training with.
This post was edited on 2/12/24 at 2:33 pm
Posted by Huey Lewis
BR
Member since Oct 2013
4675 posts
Posted on 2/12/24 at 3:14 pm to
IMO the most relevant portion of that report is the use of deca and tren.

The safe practice of strangulations and chokes in grappling has minimal risk of CAD.

The risk goes up as various risk factors increase. I would suspect using deca and tren would raise a person's risk of a CAD. I also suspect the demeanor and behavior of a deca and tren user as it pertains to a combat sport also increases the risk.
Posted by TigeRoots
Member since Oct 2008
8505 posts
Posted on 2/17/24 at 2:57 pm to
quote:

Basically, choke causes microtear in artery Clot forms, which later breaks off and travels to the brain, causing a stroke. LINK


I had a CAD while running up in Chicago 4 years ago, which subsequently caused at least 3 strokes. We never figured out what caused it but any chiropractic care, neck manipulation, BJJ, whiplash, etc. was the first thing asked by any Specialist/ER I saw. And I saw a lot. That said, I have made a full recovery and was back to running and normal life within a few months. Still scary shite; but it's like it never happened now. A bit of unease knowing it can happen again at anytime, but not gonna live my life in fear over it. I still train heavily (running, cycling, strength) and do everything I was doing before. The only thing I have actively stopped is neck massages when getting deep tissue treatment.
This post was edited on 2/17/24 at 3:03 pm
Posted by boxcarbarney
Above all things, be a man
Member since Jul 2007
22886 posts
Posted on 2/19/24 at 2:39 pm to
This guy suffered a vertebral artery dissection from BJJ practice.

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Over the weeks since I initially injured it, a blood clot had been forming at the injury site as my body tried to heal itself, much as a scab would form over an open-air cut or scrape. Eventually, that clot became unstable, most likely due to the changes in arterial blood pressure from the arm triangle choke I was put in. A part of the clot dislodged and began rapidly moving through my vertebral artery into my brain, where it eventually caused a blockage. I subsequently suffered a series of ischemic strokes in my cerebellum as the blood supply was cut off. Without constant blood supply, the tissues of the brain begin to die in a matter of minutes.


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