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In what I consider to be a very positive development, halfway through the season...
Posted on 1/15/24 at 6:46 pm
Posted on 1/15/24 at 6:46 pm
---raise your hand if you had my man...Herb Jones...shooting 38.1% on 3s...after shooting 33.7% & 33.5% for his first two years. (The league average is 36.7%)
This guy is ONLY gonna get better & better.
This guy is ONLY gonna get better & better.
Posted on 1/15/24 at 6:55 pm to Dinky Mulberry
Herb and BI attempt roughly the same amount of 3s. That’s wild.
Posted on 1/15/24 at 7:06 pm to Balsamic_duck
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Herb and BI attempt roughly the same amount of 3s. That’s wild.
Wish I had an answer for BI's refusal to look for open 3s. Gotta be some kinda mental thing. I've only been here for 2 1/2 yrs now...but the numbers seem to say he was a very solid (& willing) 3-pt shooter his first coupla years in NO.
Maybe some of you guys that have been around longer than me, have the answer. On Herb, by playoff time, I expect Herb to be shooting about 10 shots per game with 5 of them being 3-pters. I'm not sure what to expect...out of BI.
Posted on 1/15/24 at 7:56 pm to Dinky Mulberry
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Wish I had an answer for BI's refusal to look for open 3s
Off game, but this is why a real PG could help the Pels. PG should be able to create shots from 3 off the dribble. Neither BI or Zion has that in their bag and thats a big reason for lack of spacing. Also, no one really can grow into the role because the ball is in their hands most of the time and limits their best abilities as finishers.
Posted on 1/15/24 at 8:03 pm to Pistol44
quote:CJ and Herb don’t have issues shooting 3s. Hell neither does JV, he’s towards the top of 3PAs for centers. It’s a BI problem and only a BI problem.
Off game, but this is why a real PG could help the Pels. PG should be able to create shots from 3 off the dribble. Neither BI or Zion has that in their bag and thats a big reason for lack of spacing. Also, no one really can grow into the role because the ball is in their hands most of the time and limits their best abilities as finishers.
Posted on 1/15/24 at 8:14 pm to Pistol44
quote:A Zion centric offense accomplishes the same and does so better than likely any actual PG we could realistically get.
Off game, but this is why a real PG could help the Pels
Also, I don't really buy the theory because other shooters are getting up 3s no problem, whether it's catch and shoot or off the dribble, so why does only BI need that?
Players ahead of BI in 3pt attempts per 36:
Trey
Hawkins
CJ
Ryan
Alvarado
Naji
Herb
If Alvarado/Naji/Herb are getting more 3s to than BI, then it's clearly just a BI issue.
Posted on 1/15/24 at 8:15 pm to Dinky Mulberry
BI 3 point shooting by type
2024
Catch and shoot 39% on 2.7 attempts per game.
Pull ups 29% on 1.1 attempts per game
2023
Catch and shoot 42% on 2.7
Pull ups 33% on 1.0
2022
Catch and shoot 36% on 3.2
Pull ups 21% on 0.9
2021
Catch and shoot 43% on 3.2
Pull ups 30% on 2.3
What you’ve seen is him take less pull up 3s, which is a good thing. We’ve also seen him be more of the PG on this team always initiating the offense, and we don’t want him shooting threes when he’s dribbling the ball. Hard to shoot more catch and shoot 3s if you always have the ball
You want more BI 3s then get a real PG or let Zion be the PG.
2024
Catch and shoot 39% on 2.7 attempts per game.
Pull ups 29% on 1.1 attempts per game
2023
Catch and shoot 42% on 2.7
Pull ups 33% on 1.0
2022
Catch and shoot 36% on 3.2
Pull ups 21% on 0.9
2021
Catch and shoot 43% on 3.2
Pull ups 30% on 2.3
What you’ve seen is him take less pull up 3s, which is a good thing. We’ve also seen him be more of the PG on this team always initiating the offense, and we don’t want him shooting threes when he’s dribbling the ball. Hard to shoot more catch and shoot 3s if you always have the ball
You want more BI 3s then get a real PG or let Zion be the PG.
Posted on 1/15/24 at 8:18 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:True but what your stats don't show is the amount of times BI passes up on a legit wide open 3 to take one step inside the 3pt line to shoot a contested 20 footer.
What you’ve seen is him take less pull up 3s, which is a good thing.
quote:See the attempts per 36 I posted above. I truly don't think it would make a noticeable difference for BI but likely helps just about everyone else.
You want more BI 3s then get a real PG or let Zion be the PG
BI just doesn't shoot 3s, it is what it is.
Posted on 1/15/24 at 8:19 pm to TeddyPadillac
Much rather him pull up than a iso middy off 3 defenders.
Posted on 1/15/24 at 8:20 pm to Balsamic_duck
quote:
It’s a BI problem and only a BI problem
BI doesn’t take pull up 3s, he’ll spot up or take them occasionally in transition. Zion doesnt take them at all. Crazy that they both often operate with the ball behind the top of the key though.
Posted on 1/15/24 at 8:23 pm to Pistol44
quote:He doesn't take enough catch & shoot 3s either. He steps in and shoots long contested 2s repeatedly.
BI doesn’t take pull up 3s
Posted on 1/15/24 at 8:24 pm to shel311
quote:
True but what your stats don't show is the amount of times BI passes up on a legit wide open 3 to take one step inside the 3pt line to shoot a contested 20 footer.
Don’t exaggerate it.
He’s not taking pull up 2s from just inside the 3 point line. I would agree he passes up open 3s more than he should, but he’s doing it to get to the rim or to take a 12’ jumper, which is a big difference from a 20 footer. And I agree that I’d rather he take that open catch and shoot 3, unless there’s no shot blocker in the game and he can easily finish at the rim.
I’d like to see him taking 4-5 catch and shoot 3s and stick to no more than 1 pull up 3.
Posted on 1/15/24 at 8:34 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:There's been a bunch of examples and posters call it out every time all season, where BI has a wide open 3, takes 1 dribble in, then takes a contested long 2.
He’s not taking pull up 2s from just inside the 3 point line.
This post was edited on 1/15/24 at 8:35 pm
Posted on 1/15/24 at 9:00 pm to shel311
quote:
There's been a bunch of examples and posters call it out every time all season, where BI has a wide open 3, takes 1 dribble in, then takes a contested long 2.
Most people are idiots and don’t know what they are talking about. A shot from the elbow with a guy in front of him that poses zero threat to his shot is not a 20’ contested jumper. And I’m not saying I’d rather that 15’ uncontested jumper over an open 3.
in reality it’s probably happened once every 3 games as described, it’s just that people want to see it and remember it so they can bitch about it.
I can’t say I’ve looked for it so I could be completely wrong, but I’ll start paying attention to it. Maybe I’m the idiot here.
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