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re: Saban did not build LSU into a powerhouse. Mark Emmert did.

Posted on 1/11/24 at 8:39 am to
Posted by Salviati
Member since Apr 2006
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Posted on 1/11/24 at 8:39 am to
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please explain this...which Dinardo players helped saban win a title in 2003? Could only be a very small handful of red shirt seniors.
I can think of five: Rodney Reed, Bryce Wyatt, Blain Bech, Eric Edwards, and Donnie Jones.

My point about DiNardo is not to suggest in the slightest that he is the reason LSU won the 2003 National Championship. My point about DiNardo is that he changed the belief about what LSU's trajectory could be after Archer and Hallman. DiNardo started the trend of getting great Louisiana athletes to play at LSU. He started the tradition of thinking about LSU as a Top Five program.

DiNardo showed that LSU could be a competitor for championships.

Moreover, he showed that LSU needed to invest and spend real money if it wanted to WIN championships. DiNardo's failure is in large part, a failure of LSU to invest in its football program. I don't believe that DiNardo is any way the architect of LSU's football excellence. However, he showed the LSU administration and Emmert what could happen and what was needed.

Emmert led the creation of the "Flagship Agenda." He wanted LSU to be tops in every significant area, that included the football program, and he knew that a prominent football program was the key to LSU's fundraising. Emmert knew that investing in the football program would pay huge dividends for the Flagship.

The mistaken belief that Saban could force the LSU administration to make it rain money for his projects is absurd. That's not the way it works. It certainly did not work like that for Saban at Michigan State. Saban can't force administrators to give him money.

Prior to Emmert, LSU was unwilling to pay the salary of a high level, organized coach. LSU was unwilling to hire and fire assistants at the HC's request. Prior to Emmert, LSU was unwilling to significantly invest in LSU football.

Saban would not have built anything if Emmert was not already planning to do so. Head coaches don't have the money or means to build facilities. Presidents do. Saban was part of the investment, not the cause of it. The plan came first, and Saban was a part of the plan.

Emmert wanted to invest in LSU football. He needed a high level, organized coach to achieve that goal. Almost any high level coach would do.

The flip side is not true. Saban could not go just anywhere and build a prominent football program. He certainly did not build one at any of his stops before arriving at LSU.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
119031 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 8:45 am to
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Saban would not have built anything if Emmert was not already planning to do so. Head coaches don't have the money or means to build facilities. Presidents do. Saban was part of the investment, not the cause of it. The plan came first, and Saban was a part of the plan.


I agree with this and just to clarify this statement does not discount the fact that Saban is the GOAT CFB coach.
Posted by Fat Bastard
coach, investor, gambler
Member since Mar 2009
73210 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 10:21 am to
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He certainly did not build one at any of his stops before arriving at LSU.


MSu is not LSU. He was damn good at TOLDEo and as a DC with the browns. had he been at OSU or USC i bet he builds a similar program.

you are trying waaaaaaay too hard kid.

SO because he did not build one before LSU or bama means he did not earn it.



get back to work at starbucks doing what you are good at. making cappuccinos and serving coffee.
Posted by RobbBobb
Matt Flynn, BCS MVP
Member since Feb 2007
27972 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 5:02 pm to
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However, he showed the LSU administration and Emmert what could happen and what was needed.

No he didnt. Youre just making up shite to bash Saban
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LSU Chancellor Mark Emmert and athletics director Joe Dean told DiNardo that a change of leadership was needed.

Over his final few weeks, DiNardo said, he had not taken some disciplinary steps he should have because he did not want any more negative publicity. DiNardo said Monday night. "Guys not going to class and being late to meetings, I haven't addressed in recent weeks like I have in the past. I let those things slide because I didn't want another crisis.

"Had I monitored recruiting more closely, choosing players who would work academically as well as on the field, this program would have been more successful.", DiNardo said."If I had graduated every player that I recruited, we would have had a winning season every year."

The program was left with 15 fewer scholarship players than the 85 allowed by the NCAA. Off the field, arrests and allegations of dealing with agents tarnished LSU's reputation.

Dinardo was a dumpster fire, and Emmert recognized that he wasnt building a championship program, and took immediate action
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"It all depends on how you define success," Emmert said. "At the time Nick Saban came in, we had the lowest graduation rate in the SEC. By the time he left, it was one of the highest graduation rates in the SEC.

"We had young men getting in all kinds of off-the-field problems before he showed up. By the time he left, we had virtually none of those."

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Under Dinardo, LSU opened with two victories in 1999 then lost eight games, the longest losing streak in school history.
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